Outlaw cache buried eight feet deep?

[Timberwolf]

I have a question for those of you that have found "outlaw caches".

I am working on a lead for an outlaw cache. Without giving you too much information, here is the story:

The outlaw is running from the posse.
He makes it to a point in which his pack horse gives out.
Keeping in mind that this guy is alone, he now digs a hole eight feet deep, to stash his loot.
He then leaves certain markers so that he can come back later and find his ill gotten booty.

My question is, how/why would someone on the run and by themselves, take the time and effort to dig a 8' hole?

Timberwolf

[jeff of pa]

I have a question for those of you that have found "outlaw caches".

I am working on a lead for an outlaw cache. Without giving you too much information, here is the story:

The outlaw is running from the posse.
He makes it to a point in which his pack horse gives out.
Keeping in mind that this guy is alone, he now digs a hole eight feet deep, to stash his loot.
He then leaves certain markers so that he can come back later and find his ill gotten booty.

My question is, how/why would someone on the run and by themselves, take the time and effort to dig a 8' hole?

Timberwolf

I Have to agree with you

Unless he was Superman
Or was Carrying a Pick & Shovel with him & liked digging deep holes
Fast.

(Remember he would be Planning
on Filling it in & Digging it Back up Later)

It would Definately be Shallow in my opinion.
& Under a rock to hide the fresh Diggings

[Kentucky Kache]

I have to agree with the shallow hole, unless maybe he had already given the posse the slip. Then, MAYBE, if he thought he wouldn't get back to it for a long time.

[jeff of pa]

I have to agree with the shallow hole, unless maybe he had already given the posse the slip. Then, MAYBE.

& Still I would think only if the Hole was Dug
In Advace in Preperation.

8' ? That's an Outhouse

[Kentucky Kache]

I have to agree with the shallow hole, unless maybe he had already given the posse the slip. Then, MAYBE.

& Still I would think only if the Hole was Dug
In Advace in Preperation.

Yep. An 8' hole is a lot of digging.

[Libralabsoldier]

Coming from someone who has dug a couple of holes that are six feet deep by three feet wide (foxhole) it is no easy feat, and after you are done, unless you have something to put all the dirt on, it will be noticeable. 8 feet is too deep for one man. For one thing...how did he get back out of the hole?

[warsawdaddy]

What was the ground/soil condition?Was it even condusive to digging half that deep?I have to agree with everyone else and especially if he was running.Of course he could have been planning on just standing the pack animal with the cache in the hole

[Timberwolf]

So far, everyone seems to be in agreement.
My wife came up with one idea that might have merit.
She said perhaps the hole was dug that deep so that if someone was buried at that spot, the loot would not be found.

I have talked to a few hunters that have recovered caches, and they pretty much say that most are buried 2' deep, or less.
The reason I asked this question, is that the depth of this cache comes from a very reliable source, but I just don't want to believe it.

I realize that those who have found caches, will probably not respond to this post for obvious reasons.
With that in mind, I would ask that if you have some information on cache depths, please PM me and I will keep you and your information to myself.

Thanks everyone,

Timberwolf

[Libralabsoldier]

I was just going to offer you some shovel help, all things considered. I am going to need the exercise this summer.

[jeff of pa]

No I have not found a Cache.

I say don't Completley Dismiss the cache story though.

But Personally I Would Dismiss the Depth
as Exageration.

Maybe it "Felt" like he dug 8' or
Maybe he Lied to turn off anyone looking

Not even a Team of bandits on the run would
take the time to dig 8' in my opinion.

unless they didn't trust each other
and felt it would take
them all to redig it

[Timberwolf]

LOL,

OK, when I get ready to dig, I might just give you a call. Thanks.

TW

[jeff of pa]

First off you must realize the deeper you dig
the harder the ground and larger the rocks

& If it's soft at 8 Feet yet it would collapse at 2 feet already.

Then remember Digging a hole is like
taking something New out of a Box
it never goes back in all the way.

You'd have a Hump or extra ground.

Best of Luck Though !
IF You dig that deep I Hope I'm Wrong !

[Libralabsoldier]

I just hope he brings a ladder to get me back out of the hole!

[Zephyr]

Maybe he didn't dig a hole at all, and pushed the loot into an animal burrow. Or a small cave. And even with a good shovel, digging 8 feet of anything (like a sewer pipe trench, for instance) is going to take one person all day. Never mind hitting tree roots and rocks....

[jeff of pa]

after sleeping on it there are several other explinations.

His Language skills were off
Or the person Listening Mistook
him saying 8

he may have said

"I Buried it A Feet under the ground"

"A" can be mistaken for 8 in a sentence like that
especially if spilled out quickly while out of breath.

or he wrote it down as 8' meaning 8"

he could have also Lacked an Education & Thought 8 Inches
was 8 Feet.

or he dug the hole like a funnel in sand
had small feet & Used his shoe on an angle
and measured 8 shoes from the edge to the center
(8 Feet )
which could actually be under 2 feet deep

Or he actually had a pick & Shovel with him on the Robbery,
And Took the day to Dig an 8' Well to throw it in
then fill it back up, Pack it down
& Dispose of the Signs of Digging

[stoney56]

Maybe the wording has become paraphrased over time and was originally something like "He dug a hole 8 feet down from certain markers."

[MD Dog]

Definitely would discount the eight feet deep thing as discredited. Simple human behavior would tell you that if this guy was a thief he wasn't into working for a living and definitely not into workin hard for a living and for those who've never tried it, I dare you to try and dig an eight foot deep hole by yourself. even in the best of soils all soft and loamy it would be very hard work especially under the strain of an ever enclosing posse. BTW Libra, standard fox hole depth isn't 6 feet, that would make it hard for you smaller fellers to see out of one !

[Libralabsoldier]

Well, MD, if you count the grenade sumps, and since I am medical and we are so soft we like to add a hot tub and a wet bar to our foxholes.....

To those who do not know, a standard foxhole is supposed to be dug armpit deep on the shortest guy who will be using the hole. My battle buddy in Korea was a 6 foot 8 guy from the Ukraine named Nemirovsky who seemed to forget this fact and would keep making the thing deeper so it was comfortable for him. I would end up with an ammo can in the bottom so I could see out, and would have to dig two or three "ammo shelves" so I could climb back out.

[Libralabsoldier]

The last one I dug was when I was at Fort Polk and still Artillery. In Iraq I had concrete bunkers.

I dug my own foxholes when I was told to, thanks. You really get hung up on this whole "front line" concept, which no longer exists in modern warfare. Our hospital in Mosul got hit directly with mortars and we lost several people to include a surgeon. Where is the "back line" in that?

[jeff of pa]

please take it to The Barracks!

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,472.0.html

off subject here & Getting too long

THANKS !