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  1. #3091
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    Quote Originally Posted by adks View Post
    Folks, you will never find it because the guy is a con man. He and his friends and family make money off this treasure hunt by selling over priced books. It's also advertising and people with money contact them and then get conned out of money. They take fake artifacts and paintings and sell them for top dollar. There are clues to this all throughout the books. Osborne Russell did this too, artificially inflated the price of coffee and other things and lied and lied in his book too (there are no osborne russell caves near where warm waters halt). The author of the thrill of he chase and too far to walk just wrote books of half truths, aka mountain yarns, to make money. He isn't even allowed to collect money for charitable purposes because he is not registered with the state or federal gov (i have checked). In too far to walk he claims he owned the dude motel in west yellowstone. Well he didn't and you can easily verify that and there is no room number 4. They pretended toast with jam was pie and that's what they are doing with the fakes they sell, pretend they are real. Another clue is the reference to catcher in the rye where he said he realized he was holden caulfield. Well, holden says he is the best liar there ever was. People will believe anything they read in books. We were all fooled, the media included. He is taking advantage of good natured people like yourselves that are good trusting people and is making money from it. The police and feds know what he is up to but don't want to prosecute him because of his military record and his military buddies are in on this too. For your own good, stop looking for it.
    You nailed it. Plus, no one is going to hide a $2 million treasure on Federal, State or Private land. He has no love for Government agencies -- documented from past FBI dealings. Good luck ever getting your money back as the courts and IRS investigators will tie-up the claim for years. And, those "artifacts" that are in the box, yikes! My friend who is a Federal Agent for the BLM would love to see them. You might also have Native American or eventually, Fenn estate lawyers involved. The reason I say this is that Fenn is a very smart guy, not a dummy. He's been collecting artifacts for years and knows how the game is played. If there is a treasure, ITS NOT IN THE FOREST. Oh crap, did I just give away some clues. Like everyone else, I have my own theories and they are totally out of the box. Maybe some day if Fenn is forced to swear under oath that there is a treasure, I'll take a peak.
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  2. #3092
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    ADKS and F4Fake..
    You two wouldn't Know a genuine person if you fell over him. Both of your 1st posts as a new member here on T Net are to solely Bash and Slander. Crawl back into your Troll holes..MinerGirl out...
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  3. #3093

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    Do you think Forrest would have done recon missions?

    He has said that when he came up with the hiding-a-treasure idea, "I decided, I knew where I was going to hide the treasure chest." Then, later in the Moby Dickens talk, he added, "that treasure chest, I've said, is in a very special place to me, and if I get another disease…"

    So, these thoughts of knowing "where" and that it was very special to him would have been 15 years before he actually hid it. Before he would put pen to paper, he would need to look the area over, make sure it was still special to him, get his bearings anew on what could be used as clues, what stood out, to enable him to craft a careful poem. These features of the area would have to be near-timeless. No rockslides, forest fires, floods, land development easements, could ruin his eventual poem clues.

    Although the poem is supposedly complete enough to take you to the treasure chest, it would seem reasonable that he would drive and hike to the location he intended to place it, and make sure that the lay of the land was as he remembered it. He would have to feel confident that he could get himself to the location, at his age, be able to navigate the terrain, get a feel for how "alone in there" the location was just so that there would be no unexpected surprises at the last second. If you're going into a place that is "no place for the meek," then you don't want to risk finding someone there who would be "brave," just by coincidence.

    What I'm getting at is the logistics of placing the treasure have to be reasonable to him. Since the placing of the treasure and chest was done in two trips, in one afternoon, the first trip would be the treasure because he wouldn't want to leave the gold in his car unattended. But more than this, the "where" location has to be such that when he leaves it there to go get the chest, he doesn't want to come back and find the treasure gone. So, everything has to be carefully considered by him, hence recon missions. Also, the outcome cannot be that after he drops the gold off, when he then gets to his car he is too weak to make the second trip. He doesn't want to check into a hotel overnight because that is a possible giveaway to a few at the hotel when he announces the treasure hunt. (Unless he would pay in cash and use a false name when signing in. Hotels might look at you suspiciously if you don't offer a credit card when checking in.)

    YNP would be difficult in logistics in this regard, since he was then living in Santa Fe, and it would not lend itself easily to recon missions. And he doesn't want to come across a wild animal with a knapsack of gold, or a person who might want to strike up a conversation, considering the crowds that flock there.

    The thought of a rental car does enter into the picture, however, when he avoids answering the question of his age when he actually hid the treasure. Two years, when he was 79 or 80, so that no one could investigate when he may have rented a car if placed up in YNP.

    But still, logistics dictate that he would like to do a practice run or two, to help him decide what the "blaze" would be when he would enter that into his poem. When he decided on the wording of "blaze," if it is an actual "something" at the site, then he must convince himself that it would still be around next weekend, 100 years, or 1000 years later.

    Necessary logistics, with all of this in mind, place it in New Mexico or Colorado. Otherwise, he's bitten off more than he can chew.

    When the big day would come for hiding his treasure, just for Southern Colorado, he would need to rise at 4:00am, say he's going fishing to his family the night before, then shower, breakfast, and head on out. He could get up to Southern Colorado by noon, and he would be "tired." Then, after placing it in a place he had decided upon, he could then get well out of the area, and if he needed a hotel for the night, he would be sufficiently far away to not worry about hotel records, or credit card receipts. A long day like that, and he'd be "weak" when he went to sleep for the night.

    I'm still wondering what would be a very special place to him? Hope that can be derived from the book, since the poem makes no reference to what would be very special.
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  5. #3095

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    Starting to think that Begin it where warm waters halt is equivalent to Ain't it funny how it feels when you're finding out it's real.

    Anyone else see this?

    If you can get the multiple layers of understanding to line up with bravado for every line, so that the sum of the total is greater than the sum of the parts, so that no paddle up your creek makes complete sense, too…then you can move with confidence.

    15 years of trial and error writing, successively settling on portions, rewriting, getting a multilevel understanding, accepting it, taking it further, making it stand alone as best you can but relying on the rest of the book to fill in the gaps… this is why you have to understand the man, and not just the words.

    Take your time to fathom the poem. Find the multi-dimensions that allow the poem to impart much, much more information to the where.

    And when you start to think this way, you go alone in there, too.
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  6. #3096

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    Here is a crude, high-level overview of Forrest's poem, to sort of capture an alternative of the literal interpretation of his poem. Maybe it will help.

    In TTOTC, the only color photograph in the book is of his wife, Peggy Jean. And he writes a poem about her, too.

    The very last photograph in the book, a full page photograph, is of his father as a boy. It is the best photograph in the entire book.

    But the most heartfelt chapter in the book is The Long Ride Home. This chapter is the one where Forrest encounters his first significant "halt" in life, perhaps his lowest of lows that he discusses as a youth. I suppose it could be argued that this is where his WWWH exists. He mentions that he had to bribe a couple of Mexican officials to get Skippy "home."

    Could this chapter be the first two clues solved?

    How you would then tie the literal meaning of the poem into this starting point is up to you. And please realize that I didn't have 15 years to creatively try to paraphrase Forrest's wonderful poem, but you can see how there may be a gist to this way of considering things.

    Best,

    Bob


    As I have gone alone in there. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Within the private space of my mind
    And with my treasures bold,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And with the richness of the life I’ve led,
    I can keep my secret where,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I alone am left to bear witness to all of this,
    And hint of riches new and old.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . To tell the story of these memories of mine.

    Begin it where warm waters halt. . . . . . . . . . . . . . It began when I was first on my own,
    And take it in the canyon down,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .When life’s wild-adventure had barely begun,
    Not far, but too far to walk.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .But just before walking in socks on a paved road
    Put in below the home of Brown.. . . . . . . . . . . . . .And a distant hill between Shoshoni and Casper.

    From there it’s no place for the meek,. . . . . . . . . . Life is for the living, so grab every banana.
    The end is ever drawing nigh;. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Yesterday was once today, and all our days are few;
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek,. . . . . . . . . . . You’ll have to rely on yourself, there’s no free ride:
    Just heavy loads and water high.. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Expect hard work and against-all-odds adversity.

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,. . . . . . . . If you’ve made your own luck, carved your niche in life,
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease,. . . . . . . . .Realize that life is fleeting, and then you’re gone forever,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,. . . . . . . . . . . . . So don’t waste time admiring your achievements,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.. . . . . . . . . . . Keep what you earn and smooth the grass before you leave.

    So why is it that I must go. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Why do I feel the need to tell you all of this, create this hunt
    And leave my trove for all to seek?. . . . . . . . . . . . And leave the world to chase my hidden, timeless treasure?
    The answers I already know,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .It’s my legacy to humankind, a someday, one-day ancient hope,
    I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.. . . . . . . . . . .That I’ve toiled tirelessly over, for so long, and now I’m old.

    So hear me all and listen good,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Take note, everyone, of what I’m saying here,
    Your effort will be worth the cold.. . . . . . . . . . . . . Challenge life, too; your hardship will have worth.
    If you are brave and in the wood. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Live your life, and make your mark on the world
    I give you title to the gold.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .And your rewards will be like mine: richly deserved.
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  7. #3097

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    Although I don't have a solve, per se, if I were those of you putting BOTG, I would give some serious thought to Castle Gardens.

    There is a Canyon Creek nearby that extends up and "down" on all maps, there are numerous "draws" all over the place, it is between Shoshoni and Casper, a special place to Forrest where he came to terms with his stubbornness, his comeuppance moment in life. In terms of latitude it is "below" Fort Washakie, and the place has "blaze" written all over it; they're "ancient" blazes. Literally!

    It's been seven years now with no one finding it. Still, someone may have looked there, just for the hell of it, and then blew off the hunch. Headed on over to YNP, or the Woods River area in Shoshone National Forest, to follow the crowd, so to speak.

    He could have gone into the area with an obvious camera ruse, make himself look like a photojournalist, snapping shots from distant rises and hills, and picked whichever one he considered worthy of throwing his "bones" atop. Perhaps a hill far enough away so as never to be visited by anyone… yet.

    The area is so far away from anywhere that Forrest didn't "think they even had coyotes out there." If you were to hide a multimillion-dollar treasure wouldn't you want to hide it in the last place someone would look? Get out there and check every hill and dale nearby. Earn it.

    Maybe BLM law governs. Could be perfect…

    Best,

    Bob

  8. #3098

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    I do all of my posting about the Fenn Treasure at this site, here. I just find Dal's blog to be a little too cumbersome to figure out, and limited in presentation.

    But, I keep both sites open to make it easy to go back and forth. I'm sure many of the posters over there check out this site here. (hello to all of you)

    Just now I went over there: Searcher's Discussions >> Architecture of the Poem…

    There are about 120 posts there on this subject, several dated as late as Jul 12, 2017, so I quickly browsed all of them.

    You would think that they would home in on poetry techniques, but they've mostly gotten bogged down on "architecture," "architect," "engineer," "layers," "double entendre," stuff like this. The discussions circle around back on things over and over, and really bog down with respect to linear progress. Ofttimes, the posts seem to not be listed chronologically.

    I found one or two mentions of "metaphor," and I think zero for "simile."

    Forrest wrote a poem; educate yourselves on poetry.

    In Forrest's TToTC, he specifically teaches the reader, by example, the technique he likes the most, and even thanks the writer by name, for the example he cites.

    Page 101 of TToTC offers the technique clue. The thank you follows on page 103.

    Wikipedia likes it, too.
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  9. #3099

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    Hi, have a nice day!
    Last edited by USAuPzlBxBob; Jul 18, 2017 at 07:39 PM. Reason: Forgot HOB clue; corrected in following post.

  10. #3100

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    Really, have a nice day!
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  11. #3101

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    Ok, I found a fly in the ointment of my solve for Castle Gardens Petroglyphs, Wyoming.

    But I found a workaround by coming from the other direction. It's still worth a look to go there, spend a day just to rule it out.

    The fly in the ointment was that I didn't have a WWWH from the poem. I had a WWWH from TTotC:

    "In Wyoming, between Shoshoni and Casper, we had some kind of slight misunderstanding and I told him to just stop the dumb car and let me out."

    "I remember sitting down beside the road for about an hour to consider my lot in life and ponder if anything was left in my future."

    WWWH is a metaphor for life's comforts abruptly ending, and it aptly applies as life's comforts came to a screeching "halt" for Forrest for a couple hours that day, as he watched his brother, Skippy, putt-putt away in his Model B Ford, leaving Forrest behind with no money, no coat, no shoes, and to make matters worse, it started to get cold.

    And to think they were having such a good time together just earlier in the trip.

    Forrest was perhaps 15 years old, Skippy was maybe 17. The year, best I can tell, was 1945, WW2 had just ended, though the documents were not signed until September.

    This all took place most likely on Route 20/26, and Castle Gardens Petroglyphs is adjacent to the south.

    But this is all from the book, not the poem, and Forrest said the poem can render a solution on its own.

    The poem can still do it, but the approach to the solve comes from the southerly direction, and not the northerly direction.

    Forrest Fenn Treasure Chest Solve for Castle Gardens Petroglyphs, WY (July 2017)

    1. BIWWWH
      1. Canyon Creek Reservoir; Fremont County, WY
        1. The headwaters of both the East and West branches of Canyon Creek are nearby
        2. The two of them, together, form the plural for "waters"
        3. Shortly thereafter both branches merge together to form a singular Canyon Creek
    2. TIITCD
      1. Canyon Creek flows north, adjacent and just east of Castle Gardens Petroglyphs
      2. It loses elevation, hence "canyon down"
    3. NF,BTFTW
      1. Get to Castle Gardens Petroglyphs by car, like everyone else
    4. PIBTHOB
      1. Latitude of Castle Gardens Petroglyphs is lower than latitude of Fort Washakie
        1. Hence, "below" Fort Washakie
      2. Fort Washakie used to be called Fort Brown
        1. The fort was established in 1869 and named Camp Augur after General Christopher C. Augur
        2. In 1870 the camp was renamed Camp Brown in honor of Captain Frederick H. Brown who was killed in the Fetterman Massacre in 1866
        3. It was renamed again in 1878 after Chief Washakie of the Shoshone tribe
    5. FTINPFTM
      1. Get out of your car and look around (or stay in your car and be "meek")
    6. TEIEDN
      1. The middle leg of Fraser Draw passes just under the farthest-east wooden-footbridge
        1. Use topozone.com and click on WY after you scroll down to the map of the United States
        2. Zoom in to Castle Gardens Petroglyphs
        3. Toggle back and forth between Satellite and Topographic to better understand
    7. TBNPUYC/JHLAWH
      1. Metaphor of "up a creek without a paddle" when in "white-water rapids" difficulty
        1. It's win or lose time, a very hard problem to puzzle-out, maybe your only chance at this site, so get it together!
    8. IYBWAFTB/LQD,YQTC
      1. BOTG required
      2. Probably at or near ground level
      3. Maybe cleverly hidden in some desert brush
      4. Maybe half buried to barely expose it
      5. Possibly a petroglyph faces it, and it is on the perimeter of the site
      6. Maybe 200 feet to the right of the farthest-east wooden foot-bridge, at Fraser Draw terminus (as seen on the Topographic map)
        1. That would place it 500 feet from the closest of the five fenced-off petroglyph enclosures, too
    9. BTSWMG/JTTCAGIP
      1. Get out of Dodge
        1. Don't whoop it up
        2. Don't tell anyone until you've thought long and hard how next to proceed
    10. SHMAALG/YEWBWTC/IYABAITW/IGYTTTG
      1. TToTC will reel you in and take your soul
      2. The hardships and hope-against-all-hope experiences you endure will reward you for the rest of your life
      3. If you find the treasure, it's yours to keep!


    Found this "alien" blaze nearby to WWWH. Just copy it into Google Maps, and go to Satellite view. A very cool kitty-cat?



    42.822044, -107.481417

  12. #3102

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    "How do we know it's not a fake? It looks like a fake."

    "Well, one thing we know, you're no fake. You're a genuine idiot."

    "Thank you."

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    One more thing…

    Let's say it really is a fake… the treasure chest. And all the gold coins in it, they're really chocolate "coin candy."

    But let's say Forrest really did hide it somewhere nonetheless, and the clues really do work.

    It's just that at the last minute, whoever opens the fake box, with the fake contents, it will be a big joke.

    Still, Forrest put that 22 turquoise bead bracelet in there, probably the cheapest item in there, he said. (He won it in a pool game.)

    That's your only guarantee that you found the original Fenn treasure chest.

    Start putting ideas in people's heads that everything is fake, and "real" fake treasure chests will start to be found all over the Rockies.

    But the only real Fenn treasure chest will have that bracelet.

    And then you will know that you found the genuine article.

    If I went out looking for it, and I found it, I would never sell it off a little here, a little there. It would all stay together as one. So, no monetary gain. Just satisfaction.

    And you can be sure Forrest thought of forgery-treasure chests eventually showing up. So that turquoise bracelet, it has been photographed by Forrest in meticulous detail, like the edges of a masterpiece painting, never seen by a forger unless he had been in the presence of the original.

    Remember, it is the thrill of the chase. It's a treasure hunt. Solving a treasure hunt is one of the most satisfying pastimes you'll ever experience. Making a treasure hunt is even more satisfying.

    That's why I know there is a treasure chest, somewhere. It has been so much fun for Forrest to pursue the making of it, especially as something to do after he sold his gallery.

    I think we all can believe he wrote and published The Thrill of the Chase. Or is the book I have just a "pigment of my imagination," and all of our combined copies of the book, it's all mass hysteria, we don't have books at all, we've just been duped into thinking our copies exist. And besides, once we die, reality doesn't exist, so, "what difference does it really make."

    Btw, I'm just an Artificial Intelligence Bot. (You didn't know that?)

 

 

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