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  1. #46

    Oct 2006
    Minnesota
    Sharpshooter II
    119

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    As I see it...

    If the tank was buried by the Allies it would most likely have been stripped of anything valuable or worth while and buried to dispose of it, OR possibly filled with all sorts of relics destined for disposal.

    If it was buried by the Japanese, it would have been stripped of only what the Japanese needed at the time and filled with anything else they didn't want the allies to find, possibility "boobytrapped" also.

    If on the other hand it was somehow buried naturally, say by navel gunfire or air bombardment, then the contents would be intact.

    As for the last, I remember reading a story of five Japanese tanks recovered. Seems they were backed into there own little caves/bunkers. U.S. navel gunfire all but leveled the hill, burying all the tanks. Years later, thru natural erosion the barrels were found sticking out of the hillside.

    ya never know

    neil

    p.s. ALL 3 cases would have the high potential to have live ordinance aboard!

  2. #47
    If you manage to return alive - You have not failed .

    Jun 2006
    193

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    The concept of burying a tank for defensive measures is not new and it was used in and by the Iraq Military in 1991. Saddam knew from the beginning that the formal Iraq military would be defeated in short time and he used the exact same battle tactics as used by Japan in 1941-45. The attrition of formal military structure would be used in order to buy time so that the cost of war would grind down the USA. Bush strategy was flawed from the start. “Mission Accomplished.”.
    Saddam had warned the USG that it would be costly for the invasion and it has proved to be correct. War is lost. The stated goals will never be achieved.

    As for the tanks Iraq used a tactic similar to what was used in Kosovo. Decoy tanks put into realistic emplacements. In Kosovo tanks were built into fortifications of wood and earth, leaving the top turret exposed. BUT also they deployed rubber tanks or balloon tanks. That being nothing more than a big air bag like a blow up display at a mall. BUT, inside they placed a space heater that would give the aerial surveillance guys a heat signature making them think they were real tanks. So Bush forces would expend real weapons destroying a balloon. The next night another balloon would be deployed and again it would be destroyed. That is how the USG had inflated reports of destroyed tanks. Big embarrassment after the war. Also the destroyed real tanks were propped up in pieces and space heaters were added to give the signature of real tanks. Junk tanks kept getting blown up. Serbian forces were not defeated. They just organized and withdrew.

    Saddam’s tank crews knew they would be decimated and in the same fashion reassembled junk tanks so Bush could blow it up again and again.

    As the Iraq military buried tanks up to their turrets, so did the Serbian forces and likewise did the Jap Forces. In each a disciplined dedicated force with lesser hardware to use.

    The totally fried tanks that I examined in Kosovo and south west Iraq are testaments to this tactic. Fried tanks with burnt bodies.

    But, in the case of the Japanese tank mentioned in this thread. That was buried to be used as an armored vault. Not a gun emplacement. As I posted earlier, 8 feet of fill sandy soil on a flat site with no depression above only indicates an intentional burial. You do not bury a tank in sandy soil near a beach area with any intentions of coming back and driving it again. Zero chance of that.

    Oh yes, the tactic of fall back and then guerrilla warfare, the plan of Saddam, well it is working.


    Zobex

    The Truth Is Out There .

  3. #48

    Oct 2006
    Minnesota
    Sharpshooter II
    119

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    So Neil...you don't see some Japanese hijacking their own tank, filling it slap-full-o-treasures...digging a humongous hole and filling it back in (like all good MDer's do) while in the mist of a hasty retreat?
    hijacking there own tank, no...being ORDERED to fill it slap-full-o-treasure...digging a humongous hole and filling it back in.....maybe.

    neil

  4. #49
    sle

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    To see is to believe. Mine is only a story as relayed by one of my crews in my previous projects who happen to be one of the two who dug it before. I was also thinking that if it is not true then why risk offering it to me when I can prove its truthfulness by just a few feet of digging? I already resolved that issue to myself. My issue here is what is inside the tank?

    Well, this is a free forum. One cannot just expect good stuffs to come out. I am just thankful for some very good advice from some people.

    Don’t worry I will share some pictures of the tank and its contents if it will be pushed through. Right now am still worried that we might accidentally create a big hole down there.

    By the way, the site is not located along the beach. It is very far from the shore actually. It is near the center of the town proper. There lies the big problem because the area is populated.

    Can I just pour a strong acid to the tank to dissolve every metal on it except gold? Could it trigger any firing or explosion? Has anyone done some experiments on dissolving bombs or its firing mechanisms in acids and see if they explode? (Sorry to somebody who is interested on the tank.) But if it is the safest way then why not? Please advise me.

  5. #50
    If you manage to return alive - You have not failed .

    Jun 2006
    193

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Yea, I think SWR is right. Only a Moron would bury a tank. But what would you expect from a Psychiatric Center State Hospital.

    http://www.aaftankmuseum.com/Tank_Ordnance.htm


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    Zobex

    The Truth Is Out There .

  6. #51
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    Dec 2004
    Brentwood, NH
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    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Thank goodness they buried that before the enemies got their hands on it . The Iraqi "burial" of tanks is somewhat irrelevant here... mostly they were in prepared pits that would hide them, but they could be easily mobilized in short time.
    Former Caveman... my brain shrunk.

  7. #52
    Just a looking around

    Mar 2007
    East Texas
    Minelab
    28

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by sle
    To see is to believe. Mine is only a story as relayed by one of my crews in my previous projects who happen to be one of the two who dug it before. I was also thinking that if it is not true then why risk offering it to me when I can prove its truthfulness by just a few feet of digging? I already resolved that issue to myself. My issue here is what is inside the tank?

    Well, this is a free forum. One cannot just expect good stuffs to come out. I am just thankful for some very good advice from some people.

    Don’t worry I will share some pictures of the tank and its contents if it will be pushed through. Right now am still worried that we might accidentally create a big hole down there.

    By the way, the site is not located along the beach. It is very far from the shore actually. It is near the center of the town proper. There lies the big problem because the area is populated.

    Can I just pour a strong acid to the tank to dissolve every metal on it except gold? Could it trigger any firing or explosion? Has anyone done some experiments on dissolving bombs or its firing mechanisms in acids and see if they explode? (Sorry to somebody who is interested on the tank.) But if it is the safest way then why not? Please advise me.
    Hello If you will just dig down to the top of the tank. Take a pic of the top
    with today's newspaper beside it with date legibly. Send me the pic. Then
    I will come over and open your tank for 50% of what we find. I will pay the expenses. If nothing is in the tank I get the tank. I will bring my own.
    People and my own security THIS IS NOT A JOKE You have a PM
    Retired Pilot.
    still have my Cessna 310 and A  super Cub

  8. #53

    Jun 2005
    107

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Hi,

    In the philippines, especially mindanao, and in the middle of a town, no way you would be able to dig out the tank without stirring up a hornets nest. If its in private land then do it in less than 5hrs, civil law would apply and the ownership will rest on the land owner but then again in mindanao...anybody can own you. Well in case nothing of value is found, you can sell it for scrap at 11pesos a kilo, if its a five tonner then you get 50000 pesos or a little more than a thousand dollars...maybe you should bring a tv crew, they could give you some sort of protection from the...military. Good luck with the local abu sayaff(muslim extremists) and the npa(communists).

    God bless,

    Jose

  9. #54
    If you manage to return alive - You have not failed .

    Jun 2006
    193

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by tagasilay
    Hi,

    In the philippines, especially mindanao, and in the middle of a town, no way you would be able to dig out the tank without stirring up a hornets nest. If its in private land then do it in less than 5hrs, civil law would apply and the ownership will rest on the land owner but then again in mindanao...anybody can own you. Well in case nothing of value is found, you can sell it for scrap at 11pesos a kilo, if its a five tonner then you get 50000 pesos or a little more than a thousand dollars...maybe you should bring a tv crew, they could give you some sort of protection from the...military. Good luck with the local abu sayaff(muslim extremists) and the npa(communists).

    God bless,

    Jose
    No that is the wrong approach.

    FIRST you make it real public. Put a fence around it and sell tickets to the locals to come and watch you dig. Then sell concession goods, beer, coke, bar-b-q and other food. Then CHARGE the locals 50 peso's an hour for them the privilege to dig on the tank. Oh yea, a few pretty girls in shorts and tank tops.

    After all of that the Military will come in and run everyone off at gun point and they they will try and figure out how to make money on it.

    But it would be fun while it lasted.

    Mindanao is one of the last frontiers, kind of like the Alaskan gold rush of the 1890's .

    Zobex

    The Truth Is Out There .

  10. #55
    sle

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Tradderran,

    OK. I'll come back to you if my other offers will not be pushed through, just in case, can you settle for 40/60 in our favor?

  11. #56
    Just a looking around

    Mar 2007
    East Texas
    Minelab
    28

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by sle
    Tradderran,

    OK. I'll come back to you if my other offers will not be pushed through, just in case, can you settle for 40/60 in our favor?

    Lets continue this in PMs. you have a pm
    Retired Pilot.
    still have my Cessna 310 and A  super Cub

  12. #57

    Mar 2007
    St. Paul, MN
    Bounty Hunter Tracker IV, ACE250
    151

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    I think this is totally possible. My grandfather was with the Engineers during WWII in the European Theater. He drove a D8 equivalent bulldozer. He said they buried stuff all the time. Broken down unrepairable equipment (trucks, artillery, etc), people (concentration camps), you name it. He drove over two different land mines with two different bulldozers that exploded at two different times during the war and blew the corresponding track completely off. How do I know he was telling the truth Because he said his helmet flew around inside the steel enclosure and cut his face to pieces both times. He has the scars to prove it all over his face and head. Totally possible if you ask me.

  13. #58

    Mar 2007
    St. Paul, MN
    Bounty Hunter Tracker IV, ACE250
    151

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    I think that's possible it has something of value in it. Treasure? Who knows? We all know crazier things have happened. They happen every day. If the locals were afraid of opening it, they must have had a reason to be afraid, right? To me, that is somewhat telling right there.

  14. #59
    If you manage to return alive - You have not failed .

    Jun 2006
    193

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan1979
    I think this is totally possible. My grandfather was with the Engineers during WWII in the European Theater. He drove a D8 equivalent bulldozer. He said they buried stuff all the time. Broken down unrepairable equipment (trucks, artillery, etc), people (concentration camps), you name it. He drove over two different land mines with two different bulldozers that exploded at two different times during the war and blew the corresponding track completely off. How do I know he was telling the truth Because he said his helmet flew around inside the steel enclosure and cut his face to pieces both times. He has the scars to prove it all over his face and head. Totally possible if you ask me.
    My Father did similar things. Was in the Army Rangers headed to Europe but in mid ocean was sent to the South Pacific. Fought all the way up to the aborted invasion of Japan. Between 1945 and 1946 he was reassigned to disposition. That meant destroying and ditching military equipment. There was a term in most all war contracts that military equipment could not be sold or given out at the end of the war also could not be returned to the USA. So all of those trucks, trailers, tractors etc. had to be destroyed. He spent months filling LST's with equipment, going out into the ocean, starting them up and driving of the end of the ship. Fuel depots were either burned or worse buried. Aircraft were pushed into piles, covered in aviation gas and burned till they melted. Then the melt was shoved into holes and covered up. Jap fuel was burned, guns were dumped in the ocean or buried. Even though he was combat, at the end of each fighting encounter, since he had been trained demolition, he was tagged to drive a dozer to bury dead ****. In one time he had the job cutting a mass grave for US dead. There was a near riot in the unit over that. It is possible to be either a US or Jap tank, with or without treasure. You never know. Maybe it is only a fuel tank and the people have fuzzy memories.

    Zobex

    The Truth Is Out There .

  15. #60

    Jun 2005
    107

    Re: Buried Military Tank

    Hi Zobex,

    Right you are about the carnival recovery...your more pinoy(filipino) than i am.

    God bless,

    Jose


 

 
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