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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Gentlemen, Ryano & G.A.P. metal bring up valid critical questions regarding this notion of supposed death traps that guard treasure rooms :



    I think these are very fair questions. But notice what the "faithful" do to answer the objections: They find ANY possible way (and I do mean ANY) that it could still be possible, and then .... presto, the whole notion is thus true, and the burden of proof is thus put on the skeptic to DIS-prove it. Kind of like in the same way whenever you see someone pose a skeptical critique of the Oak Island nonsense (showing the near impossibility of there being any treasure there). The "faithful" will come back with some far-fetched remote possibility of how it *could* have happened. Eg.: "If you take 500 slaves and work them for 5 yrs, and blah blah" So ... as long as they find *some* possible way, then in their mind's eyes, it's thus 100% true.

    Here's the faithful's explanations of Ryan's and G.A.P.'s vaild objections:

    The faithful, just more clever mockery?


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Pretty clever of those death trap setters, eh ? You have to "turn over boulders" in order to spring the traps. And they are very remote areas, so ... it's still *possible* that no one's ever walked there (despite nearly ever speck of ground in the USA being trodden). And as for the reason no one ever happens to *see* these death traps ? Easy: They're disguised and unrecognizable. Pretty clever of those Jesuits and Spanish, eh ?

    Nearly every speck? The boulders set up to hurt or kill unwary searchers, are:
    Recognized by understanding the nature of their construction & design upon sight,
    with the knowledge, above ground. Hidden, & very much disguised below ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    And to explain away G.A.P.'s objection, the solution is simple:



    Ahh, pretty clever of those Spanish Jesuit trap makers: You gotta be a human, and/or 100+ pounds or more to spring the trap. Thus the reason why we don't see dead animals around them. Makes perfect sense, eh ?

    They move on their own, if enough material around or below them is moved.
    You can't necessarily just hand move them if they're huge, because of their
    size, & extreme weight.



    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    The trouble is, it's not just ME who's "not seen one" and "thus doesn't believe". The problem is: NO ONE'S SEEN ONE. Except in movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark. Also: I have a sneeking suspicion that *any* naturally occurring random danger you could find on the landscape, you would attribute to being a purposed "death trap". Cleverly disguised to appear to be water that fills your hole, or a boulder that fell from a steep slope, or the sides of your hole caved in, or a tree branch dropped on you, etc...

    There are people who've seen some. There you go assuming & declaring it to be a fact again.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Myself, GAP, and Ryano are not "blasting you". Any more than you're "blasting" us. We just having a discussion on this notion of supposed death traps that guard Jesuit treasures.

    And as for these traps being "obvious", it depends on how you define "obvious". Because if you showed someone a landscape feature you thought was a "death trap": And the other person figured it was just naturally occuring, or man-made coincidental dangers , you would say that person "isn't seeing the obvious". Go figure that any abandoned ruin, or defunct mine, etc... is going to have "dangers". To you , it would be "obvious" that they're purposefully set to guard a treasure. While someone else simply sees it as naturally or coincidentally existing dangers, that present themselves at all phases of life and landscape.

    Wrong, not applicable to obvious dangers caused by open mines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    With the advent of 4wd drive, ATVs, etc.... and the million-times-more population of the USA: The land is much more traversed now, than then.

    In some areas there may be more people traveling through at times now, but
    not necessarily combing every canyon & creek, etc., thoroughly everywhere.
    Many areas are probably barely accessed by horse or mule, & people don't
    often ride them across country, running across areas that were traveled
    a lot more often back in the day before motorized vehicles. Many of
    the highways & freeways are now re-routed, from the original trails.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    And no, I never said that "every speck of ground has been trodden". And I repeat: Human nature is human nature: They would have lived (and thus had their supposed "treasure room stores") at wherever they lived. And .... just like now, I bet that wherever you live, is where your wealth is. Ie.: if you did indeed have stacks of gold bars, I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't go 50 or 100 miles "to the middle of nowhere" to bury it (heck, and you even have a car and roads to get there !). Instead: You'd bury it with your reach of where you reside. And as we both agree: The most optimum places to live then (and the roads and travel corridors) tend to be the same now. Ie.: best climate, water, food, where there's work/resources, etc..... So the vast majority of "yesteryear's footprint" is under asphalt.

    Yes, you said "nearly every speck", which is not really very realistic at all.
    They were purposed to be working hard on gathering up stuff, hauling it off.
    So they only left behind what they couldn't carry, of the very heavy minerals.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    This is the bain of finding stage stops, where .... we'd much prefer all human activity stopped after 1870. But nnneeeooo, it gave way to a modern farm, blah blah blah

    But still back on many farm lands, are out of the way rock outcroppings,
    some here & there across the country, with strange shapes carved outta'
    them. Some even have warnings, if one understands, of potential danger.

    There's nothing left to discuss with you about this Tom, since your mind
    seems to be made up, no matter what anyone else has to say about it.
    ...
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    Example of a death trap, (with verious shaped
    rocks around & below it), weighing a few tons.
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    The funny thing about this and all the other "Spanish treasure" threads is the way the actual recorded facts from the time are ignored.

    The Spanish had a virtual fetish about keeping records of all their interests in the new world, particularly mines and treasures. There are several good sources for this information including:
    The National Library of Spain.

    For records specific to the American Southwest the University of New Mexico has an extensive and well known collection, including the El Archivo de Hidalgo del Parral 1631-1821.

    For Florida and the east coast explorations the University of Florida has a great archive.

    For Texas the University of Austin hosts an extensive collection from the colonial period.

    There are many more. Once you start researching Spanish colonial records you will come to understand that nothing was left out of these volumes of records. Daily meals prepared and eaten, livestock feed, the members of various daily duty parties etc. all in these records. Something like a mine or ore discovery was always recorded. Spain executed anyone who tried to conceal ore discoveries or mines. Once you dive into these records you will wonder if Spain spent more time recording every thing that happened than actually doing those things.

    With a little bit of research you will see how silly the concept of unknown Spanish mines can be. With much deeper research you might just find well known Spanish mines that have become large modern productive mines. The Spanish weren't the best miners or geologists ever - modern miners using modern tools are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    .... sharing info, of things that have been found, but that you haven't seen.
    I'm totally game to admit that these things have been found. Just waiting to see the evidence. And the answer to the more plausible explanations (to said photos and stories) that I am offering you guys to the various evidences and photos you give.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    .... You've stated some interesting facts, info & experiences, but haven't really dis-proved anything.
    Just proved you truly are firmly closed minded in some ways, because the evidence you
    seem to know, is not all common knowledge, & not the same nature, that others
    have experienced.
    Ok. Sure. I'll admit I haven't "dis-proved" anything. And I think you will admit that you haven't "proved" anything either. Right ?

    And I have no doubt that people have "experienced" what you're saying. Depending on how you define "experience". Because to some people, seeing a certain rock, or finding a vial with a note in it, is .... to them .... proof positive "experience". Don't take this wrong, but there are people who claim to have experienced seeing Elvis alive, or being abducted by aliens, etc.... Please, don't take that as mockery. I'm only saying that "experience" is not the measure of reality. Only evidence is the proof of reality. People can "experience" all sorts of things which, under scrutiny, have more plausible explanations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    .... You haven't debunked anything, just given your opinion, thoughts, & experience,
    which does not pertain to the specific subject. A lot of words & presumption..
    Sure. Nor have you proven anything. Sure, so too do you have words and presumption, opinion, thoughts, experiences. Why isn't this finger pointing both ways ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    .... Since the Spanish had many inventions back in that era, doesn't it seem likely,
    they would have the simple technology to make lead pipes? He said there
    were maps inside to other locations, not a modern era mine claim inside
    an old tobacco can. ..
    He also said gold nuggets inside, eh? I had never heard of the mining markers having "nuggets" inside, so I decided to leave that out of the discussion . But let's cut to the chase: If, in fact, this simply, as I say, nothing but a later era (ie.: modern western) mining claim marker, then why wouldn't it be reasonable to assume there's "maps" in there ? AFTER ALL, that's the purpose, when you've gone to mark-out-the-corners of your claim is to (doh....) MAP it after all. Right ? Let him take the vial and the text on the rolled up little pieces of paper to a mining history authority. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts it's exactly what I'm saying it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    ....Why is it seeming like you alone are always right,
    & everyone else is never hardly right about anything? ...
    This is an odd thing to say. Seeing as how you too are going to great lengths to uphold a contrasting/differing view as well. Then, logically, couldn't I say the same thing of your notions of being right? Perhaps you are right ! Perhaps I am right ! But the finger of "thinking one is right" points both ways. Does it not ? The issue then is: Who's got the evidence ? And who's got the more plausible explanations ? Name-calling (eg. "close-minded", etc...) is not "evidence"

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    ....You apparently cannot accept the fact that it would not be wise, to share info about
    some kinds of treasures....
    If you go back to my post, you'll see that I acknowledge some people "stay mum". Sure. But ... then if no one can produce a single type treasure being found/produced by a particular type unconventional TH'ing method/origin (Jesuit/spanish + death trap + cryptogram), doesn't it ... uh ... raise a little bit of eyebrows ?

    We can find an example of every single other type treasure in the news, or past banners, etc... But not this type. Is it all just coincidence ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    ....So they never picked up any gold, they were so humble, that they just
    stuck with the lesser valued copper & a little modest bit of silver?....
    I have addressed this already. I'll address it again: You and I both know (because I'm assuming your an md'ing enthusiast, that mankind will loose and/or hide (and hence be found later) a representative example of whatever he owns or carries. Right ? So for example: If you're in France, you'll expect French coins. Right ? If your country carries/uses/owns silver coins, then you'll expect silver coins. Right ? Then why, oh why, oh why .... if the Spanish here (in CA for example) had all this gold some people allege, then why is there NEVER a representative sample in the archaeological or md'ing record ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    ....The lust of the eye, the pride of life, & the cares of this world... ...
    That's fine if you personally are not the type that shows off his trophies to his buddies. If you go fishing and land the lake's record trout, you'll just keep that to yourself? If you finally perform a triple back flip snow-ski'ing, you'll hope none of your friends caught it on video ? If you find a gold bar, you won't tell your detecting buddies ? Because to do any of these things would be to violate the Biblical commands against pride ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    ....Why do you seem to be so angry, so argumentative? ...
    First off, I'm not "angry". And as for "argumentative" : No more so than you . And the better word for me is "fascinated". Here's the reason (to answer your question) :

    I teamed up with an immigrant from Mexico, to spend 3 weeks in Mexico looking for caches. The guy had awesome stories. That sounded sseeooo good. Each one was bullet proof true. Hence metal detectors would make child's play on finding some more, eh ?

    I will not bore you with the full trip details. But ... suffice it to say, I started bumping into various cultural superstitions down there. And began to suspect that all the stories we'd gone down to chase, were nothing but ghost-stories and telephone game gone awry. Eg.: "flames" or "glows" that come from the mountains when there's treasure. Or dowsing and/or LRL that we need to buy before we leave the USA on our trip, from our common pot of travel $. (Please don't engage me in a debate on dowsing/LRL). Or the "proof" was someone had a vision or dream and a ghost told them, blah blah blah. I could go on and on, but I will spare you the details.

    After I wised up to the silly-ness of what-they-consider proof of treasure, my guide challenged me. Ie..: he dug in his heels and persisted to bolster the notions. And to be quite honest with you, I only had feeble answers at that time. I'd never had to consider it before. So I set about studying and comparing it all. Not only beliefs of that type that come Latin countries, but also American, Filipino, etc.... I became fascinated with "how do people believe these things?" and "how do they respond when shown more plausible explanations ?

    I hope that sheds a little light on my interest. If you want to hear the rest of my Mexican adventure , let me know
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyTrails55 View Post
    Years ago when I was a lot younger I found me a nice little cache of Spanish Gold in nuggets and dust and a map in a lead cylinder showing other locations, from under a big rock that was shaped like a cross about 75 varas more or less from this site in the North/Western Mohave Desert (a area I know so well). This site has a Sand Trap & a Boulder Trap but No Treasure there. Frank Fish was busy in this area in the 1950's but apparently missed what I later found. Chuck Kenworthy was also busy in this area after meAttachment 1560566Attachment 1560568Attachment 1560569Attachment 1560570

    Happy Trails,

    Thanks for that, it is refreshing to see
    someone put up a success story!!
    -Weekender

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    Quote Originally Posted by weekender View Post
    ..... it is refreshing to see
    someone put up a success story!! ...
    Did you read the subsequent explanation of what that vial likely was ?

  8. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    I'm totally game to admit that these things have been found. Just waiting to see the evidence. And the answer to the more plausible explanations (to said photos and stories) that I am offering you guys to the various evidences and photos you give.



    Ok. Sure. I'll admit I haven't "dis-proved" anything. And I think you will admit that you haven't "proved" anything either. Right ?

    And I have no doubt that people have "experienced" what you're saying. Depending on how you define "experience". Because to some people, seeing a certain rock, or finding a vial with a note in it, is .... to them .... proof positive "experience". Don't take this wrong, but there are people who claim to have experienced seeing Elvis alive, or being abducted by aliens, etc.... Please, don't take that as mockery. I'm only saying that "experience" is not the measure of reality. Only evidence is the proof of reality. People can "experience" all sorts of things which, under scrutiny, have more plausible explanations.



    Sure. Nor have you proven anything. Sure, so too do you have words and presumption, opinion, thoughts, experiences. Why isn't this finger pointing both ways ?



    He also said gold nuggets inside, eh? I had never heard of the mining markers having "nuggets" inside, so I decided to leave that out of the discussion . But let's cut to the chase: If, in fact, this simply, as I say, nothing but a later era (ie.: modern western) mining claim marker, then why wouldn't it be reasonable to assume there's "maps" in there ? AFTER ALL, that's the purpose, when you've gone to mark-out-the-corners of your claim is to (doh....) MAP it after all. Right ? Let him take the vial and the text on the rolled up little pieces of paper to a mining history authority. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts it's exactly what I'm saying it is.



    This is an odd thing to say. Seeing as how you too are going to great lengths to uphold a contrasting/differing view as well. Then, logically, couldn't I say the same thing of your notions of being right? Perhaps you are right ! Perhaps I am right ! But the finger of "thinking one is right" points both ways. Does it not ? The issue then is: Who's got the evidence ? And who's got the more plausible explanations ? Name-calling (eg. "close-minded", etc...) is not "evidence"



    If you go back to my post, you'll see that I acknowledge some people "stay mum". Sure. But ... then if no one can produce a single type treasure being found/produced by a particular type unconventional TH'ing method/origin (Jesuit/spanish + death trap + cryptogram), doesn't it ... uh ... raise a little bit of eyebrows ?

    We can find an example of every single other type treasure in the news, or past banners, etc... But not this type. Is it all just coincidence ?



    I have addressed this already. I'll address it again: You and I both know (because I'm assuming your an md'ing enthusiast, that mankind will loose and/or hide (and hence be found later) a representative example of whatever he owns or carries. Right ? So for example: If you're in France, you'll expect French coins. Right ? If your country carries/uses/owns silver coins, then you'll expect silver coins. Right ? Then why, oh why, oh why .... if the Spanish here (in CA for example) had all this gold some people allege, then why is there NEVER a representative sample in the archaeological or md'ing record ?



    That's fine if you personally are not the type that shows off his trophies to his buddies. If you go fishing and land the lake's record trout, you'll just keep that to yourself? If you finally perform a triple back flip snow-ski'ing, you'll hope none of your friends caught it on video ? If you find a gold bar, you won't tell your detecting buddies ? Because to do any of these things would be to violate the Biblical commands against pride ?
    Good points & answers, yes I may tell someone, hopefully not boast,
    but the 3 fingers do always point back, when 1 is pointing, agreed.
    It's just that telling or bragging, can also be detrimental.

    I just don't think they were very careless, or caching much in & around
    the CA. Missions, or, maybe they cached outside of the Missions, like
    our friend HappyTrails55 had found. I guarantee you, without knowing
    him, that he is smart enough to know the difference between mining
    maps, & genuine Spanish Treasures locations Maps.

    They were working to get it out of there, evidence: Spanish Trails east.
    Of course the nature of the treasures, dictates the wisdom of revelation
    of such. You got that right, & it probably will not very much change...
    Last edited by Crosse De Sign; Mar 08, 2018 at 07:47 PM.
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    I Will Fear No Evil: For THOU Art With Me; THY Rod And THY Staff They Comfort
    Me. ...Surely Goodness And Mercy Shall Follow Me All The Days Of My Life:
    And I Will Dwell In The House Of The LORD Forever... King David ~

  9. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    First off, I'm not "angry". And as for "argumentative" : No more so than you . And the better word for me is "fascinated". Here's the reason (to answer your question) :

    I teamed up with an immigrant from Mexico, to spend 3 weeks in Mexico looking for caches. The guy had awesome stories. That sounded sseeooo good. Each one was bullet proof true. Hence metal detectors would make child's play on finding some more, eh ?

    I will not bore you with the full trip details. But ... suffice it to say, I started bumping into various cultural superstitions down there. And began to suspect that all the stories we'd gone down to chase, were nothing but ghost-stories and telephone game gone awry. Eg.: "flames" or "glows" that come from the mountains when there's treasure. Or dowsing and/or LRL that we need to buy before we leave the USA on our trip, from our common pot of travel $. (Please don't engage me in a debate on dowsing/LRL). Or the "proof" was someone had a vision or dream and a ghost told them, blah blah blah. I could go on and on, but I will spare you the details.

    After I wised up to the silly-ness of what-they-consider proof of treasure, my guide challenged me. Ie..: he dug in his heels and persisted to bolster the notions. And to be quite honest with you, I only had feeble answers at that time. I'd never had to consider it before. So I set about studying and comparing it all. Not only beliefs of that type that come Latin countries, but also American, Filipino, etc.... I became fascinated with "how do people believe these things?" and "how do they respond when shown more plausible explanations ?

    I hope that sheds a little light on my interest. If you want to hear the rest of my Mexican adventure , let me know
    Yes it is odd, & seeming like superstition, the lights. Have you read Don Jose's
    (Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp) story, of being told by locals in Mexico (when he
    was in the US Border Patrol) of such things, tied to the robbery of a coach years
    before, where I believe there was some loss of life involved, which puts the eerie
    ghost story twist to it.

    But he was told of a light glowing at night. Apparently, the local people either
    didn't have detectors, or also were leery about seeking out such things. He
    went to the spot of the reported lights, detected & found 2 bags of Reales,
    of which he was given one of them. Somewhere along in that timeline, he
    quit or had already left his job with the US Border Patrol, & I think has lived
    there in Mexico ever since. I think he'd served in the US Air Force, in WWII
    & other missions also, is still alive & well, & has not lived a boring life, and
    continuing his Treasure Hunting activities, mining, & enjoying the benefits
    of the weather, laid back atmosphere & lifestyle...

    But the glowing light(s) at night, was definitely related to the metal in the ground.

    Yes, I would like to hear more about your adventures in Mexico.
    ...
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    I Will Fear No Evil: For THOU Art With Me; THY Rod And THY Staff They Comfort
    Me. ...Surely Goodness And Mercy Shall Follow Me All The Days Of My Life:
    And I Will Dwell In The House Of The LORD Forever... King David ~

  10. #205
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    I'll show you all a BIG TREASURE, in my search for over 30 years in the Great North/Western Portion of the Mohave Desert, I found 3 separate Spanish Expeditions in a small area of the Upper Indian Wells Valley, North of Red Rock Canyon, where the Mohave meets the Southern Sierra's. 3 different Dates, 1665, 1685 and 1716. The latter 2 had the Black Robes with them (Jesuit). By the time I figured out where certain things were, the Government grabbed up all of the land and made it part of the Mohave Wilderness that was signed into Law by President Clinton in 1992, but I continued my quest not to find treasure now, but to figure out what was the TRUTH, so in 2000 I wrote a Book about it and then continued the Quest for another 7 years waiting for a certain Cycle* to occur, which happened in November 2007. So if you go to Treasure Legends and click on Aztec Gold, scroll down until you find the thread of my book, "THE RETURN OF THE GIANT SERPENT". Lot's of Info and Pictures and yes I do rely heavily on the Archaeology Reports as well, I have many, some not in the book. So I will put up here the Main Picture of My Book, I took in 1986 from "ROBBER'S ROOST", if you all can enlarge this photo, then do it, In the "HEART of the MTN." are 2 GIANT SPANISH CROSSES WITH TREASURE SYMBOLS, there's actually 3 Crosses in the Heart but only 2 are visible in this picture....But that's not all, there's ALOT in this Picture...On this book thread go to page 3, pic # 44 or page 11, # 151 to see the Spanish Crosses & Symbols....Oh yeah I forgot, there's Major Death Traps here, Spanish and ANCIENT....Being a outdoorsman my whole life, is it any wonder that I can read sign?Click image for larger version. 

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    Kudos H.T.55, a life well spent. Hat Off to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyTrails55 View Post
    I'll show you all a BIG TREASURE, in my search for over 30 years in the Great North/Western Portion of the Mohave Desert, I found 3 separate Spanish Expeditions in a small area of the Upper Indian Wells Valley, North of Red Rock Canyon, where the Mohave meets the Southern Sierra's. 3 different Dates, 1665, 1685 and 1716. The latter 2 had the Black Robes with them (Jesuit). By the time I figured out where certain things were, the Government grabbed up all of the land and made it part of the Mohave Wilderness that was signed into Law by President Clinton in 1992, but I continued my quest not to find treasure now, but to figure out what was the TRUTH, so in 2000 I wrote a Book about it and then continued the Quest for another 7 years waiting for a certain Cycle* to occur, which happened in November 2007. So if you go to Treasure Legends and click on Aztec Gold, scroll down until you find the thread of my book, "THE RETURN OF THE GIANT SERPENT". Lot's of Info and Pictures and yes I do rely heavily on the Archaeology Reports as well, I have many, some not in the book. So I will put up here the Main Picture of My Book, I took in 1986 from "ROBBER'S ROOST", if you all can enlarge this photo, then do it, In the "HEART of the MTN." are 2 GIANT SPANISH CROSSES WITH TREASURE SYMBOLS, there's actually 3 Crosses in the Heart but only 2 are visible in this picture....But that's not all, there's ALOT in this Picture...On this book thread go to page 3, pic # 44 or page 11, # 151 to see the Spanish Crosses & Symbols....Oh yeah I forgot, there's Major Death Traps here, Spanish and ANCIENT....Being a outdoorsman my whole life, is it any wonder that I can read sign?Click image for larger version. 

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    Awesome, thanks for showing this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    Yes it is odd, & seeming like superstition, the lights. Have you read Don Jose's
    (Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp) story, of being told by locals in Mexico (when he
    was in the US Border Patrol) of such things, tied to the robbery of a coach years
    before, where I believe there was some loss of life involved, which puts the eerie
    ghost story twist to it.

    But he was told of a light glowing at night. Apparently, the local people either
    didn't have detectors, or also were leery about seeking out such things. He
    went to the spot of the reported lights, detected & found 2 bags of Reales,
    of which he was given one of them. Somewhere along in that timeline, he
    quit or had already left his job with the US Border Patrol, & I think has lived
    there in Mexico ever since. I think he'd served in the US Air Force, in WWII
    & other missions also, is still alive & well, & has not lived a boring life, and
    continuing his Treasure Hunting activities, mining, & enjoying the benefits
    of the weather, laid back atmosphere & lifestyle...

    But the glowing light(s) at night, was definitely related to the metal in the ground.

    Yes, I would like to hear more about your adventures in Mexico.
    ...
    Hey there Crosse. Yes Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp and I have had some forum discussions in the past. And I have nothing but respect for him. And ... yes ... he *has* found at least that one cache that you speak of. And yes, he comes from the cultural perspectives of Mexico/Latin cultures. And has been a great asset to the forum discussions on many levels. Love his wit, etc...

    As for cache in-question (granting that the story-was-as-said), the problem with attributing it to various TH'ing means : Watching for glows that emanate from the ground. Or someone used a "magic wand" to find it. Or ... a camera that claims to capture auras from gold etc.... Here's the problem with trying connect the dots between a method, and an eventual find:

    If someone has a lead or a clue to a likely treasure. Then goes out to "likely looking spots" and "digs enough holes", AND THEN FINDS SOMETHING, he might attribute the success to the unconventional means. But think about it: If you are deliberately going out to hunt for goodies. In spots that have rumored reason. Around enough likely looking ruins, digging enough holes. And then ...... eventually stumble on a goodie : Is that a surprise ? So if you saw a glow (so you supposed) or waved a wand in the interim, then ... is the success really brought about by the odd-ball method ?

    I mean, history is FILLED with accidental discoveries of goodies. How much more-so then, will there be goodies found , when intentionally looking ?

    And as long as we're talking about Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp : He and I had long talks about the specifics of some Latin american notions and TH'ing psychologies. And he has agreed with me on the silly-ness that can grow out of them. And that scores of the "great stories" are nothing but silly-ness .
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  14. #209

    Mar 2007
    Salinas, CA
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyTrails55 View Post
    .... By the time I figured out where certain things were, the Government grabbed up all of the land and made it part of the Mohave Wilderness that was signed into Law by President Clinton in 1992, but I continued my quest not to find treasure now, but to figure out what was the TRUTH, ...
    Happy-trails55, I can not read the print of the article you posted (too small). But going by the above commentary here :

    I'm assuming that no treasures have come to the surface, right ? You were narrowing down in on the mother load. But then ........ the land got put off-limits. Right ? So you can't retrieve the treasure. Interestingly, the dates (1600's) and locations (indian wells valley) you cite, predate the supposed earliest permanent European toe-hold in alta CA. So if your theories are correct, you not only would get a treasure, but you'd re-write the history books too.

    This reminds me of a news clip I saw once. 2 guys from the deep south had done their homework, and discovered where a treasure was buried in a CW soldiers grave/coffin. And the grave-site was at a federal memorial battle-field site. So they sought permission from the federal government to dig up the grave. And the fed. govt, .... of course, ... said "no".

    So the guys went public with their outcry. The news media went over to their house and interviewed them (perhaps it can be found on youtube). The treasure was SSEEOO close. But ... the big bad government ... in a conspiracy hush job, is trying to keep the public from knowing about it. And if you watch the video, they are phrasing it in the past tense "found". Not "we think" , etc.... In their mind's eyes, they've already "found" (past tense) it. And the only thing standing in their way is the government.

    As I watched that newsclip, I thought: "Wait a minute... where have I see this story-line before ??". OH YEAH: Clint Eastwoods "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly". Treasure in a CW grave

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    Sep 2015
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    Look out for the federal government when seeking treasures.
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