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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Hey there Crosse. Yes Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp and I have had some forum discussions in the past. And I have nothing but respect for him. And ... yes ... he *has* found at least that one cache that you speak of. And yes, he comes from the cultural perspectives of Mexico/Latin cultures. And has been a great asset to the forum discussions on many levels. Love his wit, etc...

    As for cache in-question (granting that the story-was-as-said), the problem with attributing it to various TH'ing means : Watching for glows that emanate from the ground. Or someone used a "magic wand" to find it. Or ... a camera that claims to capture auras from gold etc.... Here's the problem with trying connect the dots between a method, and an eventual find:

    If someone has a lead or a clue to a likely treasure. Then goes out to "likely looking spots" and "digs enough holes", AND THEN FINDS SOMETHING, he might attribute the success to the unconventional means. But think about it: If you are deliberately going out to hunt for goodies. In spots that have rumored reason. Around enough likely looking ruins, digging enough holes. And then ...... eventually stumble on a goodie : Is that a surprise ? So if you saw a glow (so you supposed) or waved a wand in the interim, then ... is the success really brought about by the odd-ball method ?

    I mean, history is FILLED with accidental discoveries of goodies. How much more-so then, will there be goodies found , when intentionally looking ?

    And as long as we're talking about Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp : He and I had long talks about the specifics of some Latin american notions and TH'ing psychologies. And he has agreed with me on the silly-ness that can grow out of them. And that scores of the "great stories" are nothing but silly-ness .
    All good points of course, but don't overlook the benefit of capturing an aura coming up
    out from the ground, off of an accumulation of highly desired metal. Then together
    with the use of maybe some measuring, conventional detecting, 1 can get it.
    ...
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    Here is one....Click image for larger version. 

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    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

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    I'll try to put up another Link here, this is a Archaeological Report from around 2004 or so. The whole report is very Revealing***. The northern end of the El Paso Mountains is Black Mountain. North of it, South of it, West of it and East of it and Indeed on it, Gold mining has occurred in the past. The Key Points or Words here is Alex Apostolides on Page 2, National Treasure on bottom of Page 3, Frank Fish on bottom of Page 4, Pot Hunters on Page 5, 3rd Paragraph, Beyond 10,000 Years on Page 18, 5th Paragraph and on Page 19 of the Discussion and Conclusion is the MAN MADE PYRAMID which makes up the South/West Peak. <http://www.academia.edu/33470456/Rock_Art_In_The_El_Paso_Mountains_Kern_County_Cali fornia>.....
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    <http://www.academia.edu/33470456/Rock_Art_In_The_El_Paso_Mountains_Kern_County_Cali fornia> looks better, finger must have got stuck again
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    It did it again, somebody help me

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyTrails55 View Post
    I'll try to put up another Link here, this is a Archaeological Report from around 2004 or so. The whole report is very Revealing***. The northern end of the El Paso Mountains is Black Mountain. North of it, South of it, West of it and East of it and Indeed on it, Gold mining has occurred in the past. The Key Points or Words here is Alex Apostolides on Page 2, National Treasure on bottom of Page 3, Frank Fish on bottom of Page 4, Pot Hunters on Page 5, 3rd Paragraph, Beyond 10,000 Years on Page 18, 5th Paragraph and on Page 19 of the Discussion and Conclusion is the MAN MADE PYRAMID which makes up the South/West Peak. <http://www.academia.edu/33470456/Rock_Art_In_The_El_Paso_Mountains_Kern_County_Cali fornia>.....
    There is nothing about a death trap in this amateur report. In fact the legend is considered bogus by the researchers cited. From the report:
    The legend is that this was used as a mountain for worship and that the Indians would travel for miles in order to join forces each time of the year in order to pray and to promote peace... Unfortunately, this popularized legend is not supported by ethnographic accounts or by certain of the mentioned archaeological features (for example, no one has ever documented the “water storage area in the crater of the mountain,” and a basalt metate was observed in one of the large “house rings,” suggesting that even Medicine Men or whoever else may have visited the peaks area- had to eat too). In fact, none of the published literature on the Kawaiisu or any of the other tribes reportedly involved in the above-mentioned important ceremonial gathering report any annual meeting in the El Paso Mountains. Apostolides (Field Notes for 25 Oct – 5 Nov 1967 p.3), who was almost certainly the most important expert on the range- referenced this legend and characterized the story as follows,

    “Lacking more positive evidence … this view is still in the wild dream area.”

    Apostolides wrote this caveat despite being a close friend of one of the miners who helped to popularize this legend, and the other El Paso miner, who communicated this story even more voraciously, was spoken of by Apostolides only in terms of great distrust and contempt (see Field Notes for 1-2 Jan 1965).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyTrails55 View Post
    It did it again, somebody help me
    You have a space in the word California. There are no spaces in internet addresses.

    The right link:
    ROCK ART IN THE EL PASO MOUNTAINS, KERN COUNTY, CALIFORNIA | Albert Knight - Academia.edu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
    Here is one....Click image for larger version. 

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    Uhhh, Curtis ... you consider this a "death trap" ? As in: Purposed design ? Question: Why can't that just be a naturally occurring random rock formation ? Granted yes, it's dangerous to put your head underneath there. But so too do thousands of naturally occurring dangerous rock formations exist throughout the landscape. Since when/why do they need to have been purposefully planned ?

    Or am I not seeing something in your pix that I should see ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Diggins View Post
    There is nothing about a death trap in this amateur report. In fact the legend is considered bogus by the researchers cited. From the report:
    Clay, your posts are a breath of fresh air.

    These type sensational (and admittedly initially intriguing) claims can often be put to rest by a little old fashioned common sense. Kind of like the Scott Wolters ("America Unearthed) nonsense. After one of those shows, ("Romans visited the inland Utah deserts 2000 yrs. ago" type stuff) I was actually intrigued by the show. But alas, a quick 3 minute check of google showed that the various hieroglyphs or whatever, had long since been debunked. And the various salacious points had more plausible explanations.

    But that wouldn't sell @ Hollywood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Uhhh, Curtis ... you consider this a "death trap" ? As in: Purposed design ? Question: Why can't that just be a naturally occurring random rock formation ? Granted yes, it's dangerous to put your head underneath there. But so too do thousands of naturally occurring dangerous rock formations exist throughout the landscape. Since when/why do they need to have been purposefully planned ?

    Or am I not seeing something in your pix that I should see ?
    I am pretty sure this rock was made with purpose by a Coyote for the sole reason of hiding a treasure to catch a road runner.
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    Dig till you drop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammoman View Post
    I am pretty sure this rock was made with purpose by a Coyote for the sole reason of hiding a treasure to catch a road runner.
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    https://www.allpar.com/model/roadrunner.html
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    I Will Fear No Evil: For THOU Art With Me; THY Rod And THY Staff They Comfort
    Me. ...Surely Goodness And Mercy Shall Follow Me All The Days Of My Life:
    And I Will Dwell In The House Of The LORD Forever... King David ~

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    Tom,

    I knew I shouldn't even try. But it is the only picture I can find right now that gives a good overall view. In the bottom you can see some stacked rocks and wood sticking out where some brave soul was probably going to enlarge the entrance. the rock is poised to fall right over the entrance and has an area in back of it that looks settled like there was previous digging...hey it is a natural rock, but moved into a position to fall when triggered.
    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammoman View Post
    I suspect, given enough time, most if not all booby traps will fail due to corrosion and deterioration. Springs rust and lock up, ropes degrade and break, pits fill in and collapse and so on. So, unless the treasure is new or recent i would not worry too much about such things.
    Tell that to Indiana Jones!
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    Was Tom in CA banned? I registered just to ask him some questions and pick his brain and his profile says banned. ?

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    It's just a temporary vacation. He'll be back in a week or so.
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