Death Traps??

[miboje]

Finding a death trap associated with a cache and for it to still be functional this many years after being put in place would be the equivalent of getting struck by lightning bending over to dig a target up while detecting. I see Jason in Enid point. It's an open forum and anyone can post what they want as long as it's not questioning ones finds or legitimacy of it or flat out calling someone a liar.

Why is in necessary to badger if someone's beliefs are different than your own? I just don't see any purpose in it, and it is not what the OP asked. How is it useful or helpful for anyone to badger anyone about it? If you don't believe in something that is fine, and that is your prerogative, but does that give anyone the right to be adversarial, demeaning or badgering?

 

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[civil_war22]

I'm not badgering anyone. I stated what I believed and that's my opinion. I've arrrsted meth heads, convicts, thieves who booby trapped stuff and had it that way for years and unless it was something currently made then it was either broke or not functional in some way.

 

[mick56]

The only one I saw, was on tv, where a big boulder was chasing Indiana Jones in the treasure cave.

 

[Jason in Enid]

For those of you who think no such thing exists, I highly recommend watching Legend of the Superstition Mountains on the History channel.
About Legend of the Superstition Mountains - HISTORY.com

That entire show was scripted un-reality TV garbage. Nothing about it was real. Thanks for proving my point.

PS- I had stated my opinion and was happy to leave it at that. You are the person here keeping this going. If you don't like what people say you have two options. Ignore and move on or contest it and begin (or continue) the debate. Based on the number of times you have posted in this thread, you REALLY want this to continue.

 

[Calgarychef]

I think having a beer is a good idea, discussing a legal activity on an open forum doesn't even remotely constitute anything bad.

 

[Keppy]

Speak for yourself about being wound too tight. Beer drinking is not very good language on open forums.

Well i for one really like BEER...

 

[MiddenMonster]

Well i for one really like BEER...

"I like beer,
it makes me a jolly good fellow,
I like beer,
it helps me unwind
and sometime it makes me feel mellow.

Whiskey's to rough,
Champagne costs too much,
and Vodka puts my mouth in gear,
this little refrain,
may help me explain,
as a matter of fact,
I like beer." - Tom T. Hall

 

[Ammoman]

"I like beer,
it makes me a jolly good fellow,
I like beer,
it helps me unwind
and sometime it makes me feel mellow.

Whiskey's to rough,
Champagne costs too much,
and Vodka puts my mouth in gear,
this little refrain,
may help me explain,
as a matter of fact,
I like beer." - Tom T. Hall

LOL and
" I love little baby ducks, old pickup trucks...and rain."
Tom T. Hall. Best song ever!

 

[Keppy]

"I like beer,
it makes me a jolly good fellow,
I like beer,
it helps me unwind
and sometime it makes me feel mellow.

Whiskey's to rough,
Champagne costs too much,
and Vodka puts my mouth in gear,
this little refrain,
may help me explain,
as a matter of fact,
I like beer." - Tom T. Hall

It is like this ..TREASURE and BEER ..make me do the happy dance.......................

 

[Curtis]

I can direct you to one left by the Spanish its near the Grayson Reservoir in Kentucky. I posted this and a pic on another t hunting site and the idiots banned me! I had only been there for the one posting...the moderator thought I was trying to get someone killed--by letting them believe in death traps?! haha what an idiot... they do exist and these old ones are pretty clever and don't use metal so no rusty springs or metal mechanisms. Just rock and maybe a locust post. This one has a rock the size of a Volkswagen ready to drop on someone messing around in the mine. The mechanism is other rocks that were stacked on a locust post...which if moved makes the big rock slide down on the entrance. If you want directions or a picture PM me.

 

[Barton]

Spanish Death Traps

In TRACKING WITH ANGELS--Available on Amazon are numerous pictures of Spanish Death Traps taken
in the American Southwest.

If you feel that a Spanish Trap is nonfuctional--and you encounter one--it will be the last mistake you ever make in your life! Usually you will never know you tripped the trap until about 1-10 seconds before your dead. The kill zone of a Spanish death trap can be as large / deadly as a modern claymore mine.

Typically a Spanish Treasure site will never have less than 12 Spanish Death Traps.

I have talked to two men who have been on the receiving end of the Spanish Death Traps--
the First man told me he did a vertical jump--straight up--from a standing position--and survived
--his wife came running up screaming--as he was covered from head to toe in blood--from the mules
that were by him--they were splattered into pulp--had he not pulled off the impossible--jumping 7 feet
straight up in the air--he would have been buried under about 6 tons of rock and been splattered
like the mules beside him. The attack was triggered by his opening a stone door.

Another time I was told of a man who left a Spanish Treasure site--after his partners double crossed
him--he told me the police interviewed him--as a wife called the police when her husband never returned--
he told the police--who was there--why he left--and that he was alive and well when he left the group of men. He believes the man entered a stone door--and entered one of the most dangerous places in the world--from which he never returned.

When you ignore the lightning bolts--or the snakes with lightning bolts on them--you just Fxxxxx -UP!

As for the mythical treasure--they are there, just like the mythical stone doors and the mythical snakes
and mythical lightning bolts--when you see the crocodiles, the giant birds, the 12 foot long knives and
5--100 foot turtles you can bet your life that you are about to enter the land of the Stone doors--and if you enter a stone door and leave--alive--neither you or your belief system will ever be the same.

Barton

 

[civil_war22]

I just love the Indiana Jones type stories. Vertical jumps of Olympic type feats and large crocodiles, huge pythons, and the massive man eating turtles are a sure sign you're on the right spot. A mental patients dream world of raiders of the lost arc

 

[Jason in Enid]

I just love the Indiana Jones type stories. Vertical jumps of Olympic type feats and large crocodiles, huge pythons, and the massive man eating turtles are a sure sign you're on the right spot. A mental patients dream world of raiders of the lost arc

You got THAT right!

 

[Terry Soloman]

Now come on guys and gals. Booby trapping your valuables goes WAAAAAAAAY back. I don't believe the exist around every bend in the Southwest, but I'm sure there must be a few. The Apache and Yavapai booby trapped their desert and mountain rainwater jugs, and the Spanish, outlaws, Native Americans, and miners all had crap they couldn't carry - so they had stashes. Camouflaged at least, booby trapped perhaps.

There was a "death trap" discovered near Cow Creek, in the Bradshaw Mountains of Arizona, back in the 1950's. It is argued that it was set by Yavapai against miners from California in the 1860's. Others say it was Spanish in origin because of its design and size.

 

[Barton]

A few years back I was camped up in the Rocky Mountains in the American west. That night a couple of trackers / prospectors
came and joined me around my campfire. They had seen the campfire and came over and joined me.

As trackers and prospectors do--they told stories about prospecting and tracking. That night around the campfire I heard stories
about three stone doors.

One door they spoke of contained an priceless object that 2 men attempted to steal--the first man died in the attempt--
the second man thought he was smarter and more skillful--and realizing how the first man died, he attempted to steal the
object a totally different way. He to died in his attempt to steal the object.

Another story I heard that night was about another man who upon having entered a stone door--upon entering a room--
had a mental breakdown with what he saw--and fled the room screaming.

The third story I was told that night was about a stone door --someone had recently popped open a stone door up high up in the Rocky
Mountains --the key points in the story ( about the stone door ) goes kinda like this:
1. The stone door that was popped open--was approximately ten feet tall, ten feet wide and two feet thick.
2. The approximate weight of Basalt is about--lets say 200 pounds per cubic foot ( specific gravity 3.225 appx.)
3. The stone door contained 200 cubic feet of basalt ( 10 X 10 X 2 = 200 cu ft )
4. The weight of the door--a solid stone door was approximately 40,000 pounds ( 200 cu ft X 200 lbs / cu ft )

If I get up into the high Rocky Mountains next year--as it is already getting snow now--I will take a photo of the
door and put it in my fifth book.

There is an excellent movie I enjoyed called ''THE TOMB RAIDER" --There is a part of the movie which really reminded me
of a beautiful place in Cambodia called Ankor Watt. In the movie she enters an ancient tomb. Also entering the tomb are
some not very nice people who are there to rob the tomb.

Some of these places are centuries old--others thousands of year old. If you do not believe that --even thousands of year
ago--they did not know how to design a security system to protect --what they considered important--you have much that you
can learn--if that is the path you choose.

Barton

 

[MiddenMonster]

The third story I was told that night was about a stone door --someone had recently popped open a stone door up high up in the Rocky
Mountains --the key points in the story ( about the stone door ) goes kinda like this:

Just curious, but how do you pop open a 40,000lb. door? I don't doubt that the Spanish, and many other civilizations throughout history booby trapped places of value that they wanted to protect. But I seriously doubt that a booby trap designed to trip when something is opened is going to also stay viable for 500+ years. Geological activity alone will alter the conditions from when it was first set up. If metal is used it would have corroded or rusted in that time. I would also point out that metal has always been a valuable commodity, and from the days of the Spanish back would have been too valuable to use in a booby trap. It's also worth noting that in regards to tombs, pretty much the only ones that are still intact are pyramids and caves. Chances of finding an Indiana Jones style tomb with passageways covered in cob webs and doors that open are virtually zero. Again, geological activity plays a role. Even most of the tunnels that connect pyramids in Egypt and Central America have caved in, been filled in by the sands of time and have to be excavated inch by inch to both find out what they contain and where they go. About the only way a collapsing-style death trap would still be intact is if it was covered with enough soil, rock and other debris over the last 500 years that it was encased, and held in place by the material that surrounded it. And if that's the case then chances are slim that it's going to go off when someone is digging around it. And on the slim chance that you dig away enough material to make it go off it still won't have enough room to move so that it functions as intended.

 

[Blak bart]

Spring guns were used by settlers in the keys. They would be set up to protect crops from deer. THere is a key called happy jack key. it is said that oldman happy jack set them up to protect his gold coin cache.it was said he would tramp off into the bush and return with gold coins to trade with the fisherman and spongers. One day happy jack and one of the baker family men tripped one of there own spring guns. BOth men were maimed , but happy jack who was hit in the hip died of blood loss. he never told where his gold was. Thus we have the legend of happy jacks gold. Poor old happy jack was killed by his own death trap.i know a couple different people who are searching for that stash.ive herd that some of the settlers would set up 8 or 10 of these sprig gun traps on there property. HAvent found any remains of one yet but im still looking.

 

[Blak bart]

Oh ya . a spring gun is just a rifle cocealed in the bush with a trip wire strung across a foot path or game trail

 

[golddigger65]

I've read of many Spanish treasures that had booby or death traps associated with them. One that comes to mind is around Yuma, Az at the time of the missions and slave Indian labor.
Then there is Oak island and it's apparent traps. One never knows what awaits them.

 

[Barton]

Hello Midden Monster,

Originally Posted by Barton
The third story I was told that night was about a stone door --someone had recently popped open a stone door up high up in the Rocky
Mountains --the key points in the story ( about the stone door ) goes kinda like this:



Just curious, but how do you pop open a 40,000lb. door? I don't doubt that the Spanish, and many other civilizations throughout history booby trapped places of value that they wanted to protect. But I seriously doubt that a booby trap designed to trip when something is opened is going to also stay viable for 500+ years. Geological activity alone will alter the conditions from when it was first set up. If metal is used it would have corroded or rusted in that time. I would also point out that metal has always been a valuable commodity, and from the days of the Spanish back would have been too valuable to use in a booby trap. It's also worth noting that in regards to tombs, pretty much the only ones that are still intact are pyramids and caves. Chances of finding an Indiana Jones style tomb with passageways covered in cob webs and doors that open are virtually zero. Again, geological activity plays a role. Even most of the tunnels that connect pyramids in Egypt and Central America have caved in, been filled in by the sands of time and have to be excavated inch by inch to both find out what they contain and where they go. About the only way a collapsing-style death trap would still be intact is if it was covered with enough soil, rock and other debris over the last 500 years that it was encased, and held in place by the material that surrounded it. And if that's the case then chances are slim that it's going to go off when someone is digging around it. And on the slim chance that you dig away enough material to make it go off it still won't have enough room to move so that it functions as intended.''

"How do you pop open a 40,000 pound stone door? VERY CAREFULLY

" I seriously doubt that a booby trap designed to trip when something is opened is going to also stay viable for 500+ years"---ARE YOU WILLING TO BET YOUR LIFE ON IT? ONCE YOU PLACE THE BET AND ATTEMPT TO ENTER A STONE DOOR---YOU ARE BETTING YOUR LIFE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING!

About the only way a collapsing-style death trap would still be intact is if it was covered with enough soil, rock and other debris over the last 500 years that it was encased, and held in place by the material that surrounded it. And if that's the case then chances are slim that it's going to go off when someone is digging around it. And on the slim chance that you dig away enough material to make it go off it still won't have enough room to move so that it functions as intended.''---REALLY? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST SAID? WHAT IS IMPLIED --BETWEEN THE LINES--IS YOU BELIEVE THAT TRAPS MAY HAVE BEEN BUILT--BUT THEY WILL NO LONGER FUNCTION. JUST CURIOUS--LET ME ASK YOU TWO HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS--DOES GRAVITY STILL WORK AFTER IT IS 500 YEARS OLD? CAN YOU FLY ( WITHOUT ANY FORM OF ASSISTANCE?) UNLESS YOU ANSWERED GRAVITY NO LONGER WORKS--AND YOU CAN FLY--THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT ENTERING A STONE DOOR.

As stated above--in the book TRACKING WITH ANGELS--the traps do in fact exist--and are fully functional--and I used several of them as illustrations in the book--I even
showed the "trigger" --or one of the two triggers--on one of the traps--unless gravity no longer works--every trap I illustrated is fully operational.

Now as for Civil War 22 I believe you said:
"Vertical jumps of Olympic type feats and large crocodiles, huge pythons, and the massive man eating turtles are a sure sign you're on the right spot. A mental patients dream world of raiders of the lost arc"

That is why I enjoyed "The Tomb Raider" so much--it is people like you who retell a story--and it changes so much in each retelling--the accurate facts are lost--but the jist of the story or legend remains. It is like the story of the men entering the tomb in Ankor Watt--and then over time and retelling of the story they tell how they were attacked and barely got out alive----it would come out exactly like in the movie. "huge pythons and massive man eating turtles" ??
I guess I have, or you have, an excellent imagination.

As for Blak bart--all I can say is--I enjoyed my last vacation in the Florida Keys--is the black submarine still there on Key West? I wanted to go inside and explore it--
yet when I was there it was not allowed. Is the gold buyer still there on--lets see--Key Marithon --if memory still serves me well--I used to love visiting his shop.

I was over in Singapore a while back and they had a gold shop in Credit Suisse and that was just as nice. Any way I enjoyed the time I spent there too.