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  1. #1
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    I have seen the " Elephant "

    What does it mean... and why. California miner's who left from points east were known to have said that they were " going to see the elelphant ". Here is what it means:

    The Elephant

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    I think that I may without vanity affirm that I have "seen the elephant"
    Louisa Clapp


    To forty-niners and those following, no expression characterized the California gold rush more than the words "seeing the elephant." Those planning to travel west announced they were "going to see the elephant." Those turning back claimed they had seen the "elephant's tracks" or the "elephant's tail," and confessed they'd seen more than enough of the animal.
    The expression predated the gold rush, arising from a tale current when circus parades first featured elephants. A farmer, so the story went, hearing that a circus was in town, loaded his wagon with vegetables for the market there. He had never seen an elephant and very much wished to. On the way to town he encountered the circus parade, led by an elephant. The farmer was thrilled. His horses, however, were terrified. Bolting, they overturned the wagon and ruined the vegetables. "I don't give a hang," the farmer said, "for I have seen the elephant."

    For gold rushers, the elephant symbolized both the high cost of their endeavor -- the myriad possibilities for misfortune on the journey or in California -- and, like the farmer's circus elephant, an exotic sight, and unequaled experience, the adventure of a lifetime.

    Thank for reading

    PLL



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  2. #2

    Mar 2007
    51

    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    i was under the impression that the turm came out of soldiers, going down to mexico to fight in the mexican american war, but that war was 1848, i thank , so it would seem to be used as a turm for young men seeking adventure of that period..

  3. #3

    Mar 2004
    New Mexico
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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    According to George Wilkins Kendall, The Texan-Santa Fe Expedition of 1841, Texans were using the phrase "I've seen the elephant" already then. That's the earliest I've ever come across it as a direct quote from an eye-witness. When I first encountered it [Kendall might have explained it this way, or I might have just 'thought that must be what it's about] I figured it was because the elephant was the big attraction in most circuses in those days and once you'd seen that it was just winding down. But the way he quotes others using it usually was at times when things were going badly and they were going through 'I've had it!' moments. I think Captain Matthew [Old Paint] Caldwell was the first person Kendall quoted saying it during the Expedition.

    I've come across mountain-man recountings where the phrase was used by mountain men such as "Rendezvous Reader 1805-1850" Edited by James H. McGuire, Peter Wild and Donald A Barclay [Univ of Utah Press 1997] and noticed it and wondered. I suspect the anecdotes of early mountain men using it was a linguistic anacronism... someone later knowing it was an old-timey phrase and putting it into those mouths. Reason being I've never seen it used in diaries or on-the-spot tales of mountain men by mountain men.

  4. #4

    Mar 2007
    51

    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    boy i just love this kind of stuff . were meny peaple come togather to find the truth about history, i wish are school system worked that way for teaching history,

  5. #5

    Feb 2007
    N OC CA
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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    The School system has already jumped the shark tank.
    Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is.

  6. #6
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    Cptbild

    Oct 2005
    NM/AZ/CA/Co/Utah & P.I. Tx.
    339

    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    Hey!
    "I have seen The Elephant Too!"
    But!
    Not For sure!
    I was checking out some Spanish symbols thru my binoculars,
    on a distant rock ledge
    And!
    There appears to be an "Elephant" among them!!!!
    That is/would REALLY be Strange !
    If True!
    SO!,
    On this year's trip, I am going to climb up there a have close look & Photograph it ? !
    If! So!
    This would predate the above ones, in the 1800's, by a couple of HUNDRED years!
    Cptbild & Bugs

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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    Hey Bill,
    Not really saw this one over at Joshua Tree State park

    PLL

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  8. #8
    Cptbil

    Mar 2003
    Az/NM/Ca/Nv/Tx
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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    MAN!
    That is Strange! (Your Elephant)
    Are there any other signs around or in the area?
    At any rate...
    Even tho The Elephants are about 1200 miles apart
    I feel better!
    Your photo proves that I DID !
    SEE AN ELEPHANT!
    I was beginning to think that something was wrong with my Binoculars
    CptBil & Bugs

  9. #9
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    Cptbild

    Oct 2005
    NM/AZ/CA/Co/Utah & P.I. Tx.
    339

    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    Now!
    The Question(s) is/are..
    1..What do they mean ?
    And!
    2..Who put them there?


    (I would "guessimate" that they're Spanish...because the Spanish would
    always leave a "space" ("see thru") under anything that might be mistaken for a Natural Formation

    .ps.
    Can I call you some evening and get the map coordinates?
    Cptbild & Bugs

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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    Hey cptbill,
    I have a couple of..... interesting foto's for you. The 1st one is what I call " finger " rock


    I have seen the " Elephant "-fingerrock.jpg


    and the othe is called Skull rock. But I like to call it Homer rock..

    I have seen the " Elephant "-homer-rock.jpg

    I don't know if they will help in your travels... but I hope you got a laugh out of it


    PLL
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    MR.

    Feb 2006
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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    Its like searching the clouds for forms.
    The more one learns the more he understands his ignorance. I am simply an ignor ant man trying to lessen his ignorance
    Those with the most birthdays live the longest

  12. #12

    Feb 2007
    N OC CA
    Whites MXT,Compass 94B & 77B
    461

    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    It appears ET is laying dead on his side in front of the skull. I clearly see his head arm and hand.
    Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is.

  13. #13
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    Feb 2009
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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    not sure if its the same skull rock?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails I have seen the " Elephant "-skull-rock.jpg  

  14. #14
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    Re: I have seen the " Elephant "

    Yep that's skull rock.... But I think it looks more like Homer rock

    PLL
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