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    Ethan

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    Experts needed

    I found this button last year, at a house that J.E.B. Stuart and his staff visited in 1862. This is CS17, in Tices button book, and is a very rare button to dig. William Leigh said he has heard of only 40, if that, ever being dug.

    But I have some questions. Answer one, answer all, but I'd like some answers! Oh yeah, I included a non- dug pic, just so you can see what it looks like, clean.

    1. What rank did you have to be at in order to where one of these?

    2. Do any uniforms with these buttons exist today?

    3. Who was on J.E.B.'s staff, and would they have worn these?

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    "The Army of Northern Virginia was never defeated. It merely wore itself out whipping the enemy." - Jubal Early

    "We'll fight them, sir, till hell freezes over, and then, sir, we'll fight them on ice" - Unknown Confederate soldier

    “I am often asked “Why do Southerners still care about the Civil War?”… Because it is unique in the American experience. Defeat was total, surrender unconditional and the land still occupied.”
    ― Tim Heaton

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    Wheres The Gold

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    no idea here Beautiful button Love the Dirty pic Chug
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chug And Red View Post
    no idea here Beautiful button Love the Dirty pic Chug
    I still haven't cleaned the dirt off, lol!
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    "The Army of Northern Virginia was never defeated. It merely wore itself out whipping the enemy." - Jubal Early

    "We'll fight them, sir, till hell freezes over, and then, sir, we'll fight them on ice" - Unknown Confederate soldier

    “I am often asked “Why do Southerners still care about the Civil War?”… Because it is unique in the American experience. Defeat was total, surrender unconditional and the land still occupied.”
    ― Tim Heaton

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    Wheres The Gold

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    Leave the dirt on it Unless you can find someone that can professionally clean it Great just the way it is to me
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    I don't know what rank would wear the button, but here is a list of his staff at different times.
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    Mar 2010
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    Not to nit pick but it is CS 17 in Albert's book. Tice lists it as CS233. I would assume that any rank of officer could have worn this button. I have attached a link to Jeb's staff but there were many officers under his command.

    Stuart's Staff Officers
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    CreakyDigger posted a link to the same site before me so he wins!
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    There were thousands of staff officers in the Confederate army. I actually found a book with a list of them once upon a time ago. Any officer could have worn that button. Lt. and up. Also surgeons. I was surprised to see surgeons listed.
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    I like that button!
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  10. #10
    Educator

    Feb 2006
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    Being a 1-piece stamped-brass button, your CS-17 was made very early in the war. Being so extremely rare, they were most probably made for the officers of one particular regiment, as a "special customer order" with a button manufacturer. Another example of that is the super-rare "CS over A" button... made for the officers of a battery of the Louisiana Confederate Washington Artillery. The reason the A is below the CS on that button is, it stands for CS Artillery.

    Looong ago (about 30 years), I dug one of the approximately 40 known excavated CS-17 "CS in Shield" brass 1-piece buttons at a Confederate entrenchment related to the 1862 Malvern Hill VA battle. Even that long ago, the place had been pounded really hard by the thousands of Richmond-area relic hunters. That day, I found only three relics... a .69 musketball, an iron musket-tool, and last of all, that button. It's the only civil war relic I ever found which has "the magic letters" on it.
    "Let The Christ be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."

 

 

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