Cleaning Shark Pit Cookie Coins using electrolysis

djabend

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First I want to thank rtde3 for letting me try electrolysis on some of his Shark Pit cookie coins.
and for the shark tooth
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With It were 3 cookies
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quarter sized these are usually standing liberty or barber quarters
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penny sized with that copper green crust, usually an indian head or wheat penny
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dime sized most likely a merc or a barber dime
first order of busyness was to make a contact point on each of the coins, bare metal for current to past through
I accomplished this in short order with a dremel and dentist pick.
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quarter
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dime, I could tell delamination was going to be an issue here if i was not careful more on that later
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penny
Once cleaned it is time to make your electrolyte solution(I use vinegar for silver and baking soda for copper)
and hook up your power supply (I use 9V 300mA) copper anode for copper and in this case I was using a pull tab
anode for the silver (I found a use for them!)
The silver coins gave off a white substance when zapped. Something was leaching out of the crust.
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After a few hours off and on of treating the crust will start to soften.
From here the crust must be manually removed..... and here it gets tricky
The following pictures are not pretty
DELAMINATION- the coin comes apart in layers losing detail and if you are not careful the whole coin
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I was able to save the rest of the coin and get the date but much was lost
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The dime was holding up better at this point and was probably the best preserved of the bunch
The penny...... we wont go there :(
I will post the finished pictures in the next post
What did I learn?
1.These coins are highly unstable due to what I believe is copper loss from up to 100 years in the water.
2.The coins are porous because of this and soak up water. The more they soak the more they can delaminate.
3.Go slower the coins aren't going anywhere
4.It really sucks when the edge snaps off a SLQ
5.rtde3 is the man!
6.Whites metal detectors are the best ( lol I am going to get it for putting that one in.... ;D)

It was a great time seeing these old coins that come from such a cool place in person and being able to work on them.
rtde3, best of luck hunting the Shark Pit! HH,
Donny
 

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djabend

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Here are the finished pictures :D

1917 Standing Liberty Quarter
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1907 Barber Dime
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19?? Wheat Penny
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HH,
Donny
 

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I have a question about this... How do wreck divers get their Spanish silver and copper so clean??? If the only way to clean such saltwater finds is electrolysis, why do I not see Spanish coins looking like this after cleaning? They've been in the water much longer, after all.

Perhaps someone with diving and recovery experience will also comment on this thread. Grubby?

Best Wishes,

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djabend

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BuckleBoy said:
I have a question about this... How do wreck divers get their Spanish silver and copper so clean??? If the only way to clean such saltwater finds is electrolysis, why do I not see Spanish coins looking like this after cleaning? They've been in the water much longer, after all.

Perhaps someone with diving and recovery experience will also comment on this thread. Grubby?

Best Wishes,

Buckleboy

I am sure there are other ways to clean crusted sliver and I am only just learning about electrolysis. I think Grubby said he used a mild acid bath,
but I could be wrong. HH,
Donny
 

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I found a silver tag on a Treasure Coast beach but it was only a cookie on one side. :dontknow:

I found a cob and it was only black.
 

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Here are the finished pictures :D

1917 Standing Liberty Quarter
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1907 Barber Dime
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19?? Wheat Penny
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HH,
Donny

I recently found a 1837 Capped Bust half dollar cookie on a Treasure coast beach that broke my heart with delamination. It got worse and worse as it dried.
I will post photos later.
I actually got the date from the impression in the crust.
 

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GatorBoy

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I have a question about this... How do wreck divers get their Spanish silver and copper so clean??? If the only way to clean such saltwater finds is electrolysis, why do I not see Spanish coins looking like this after cleaning? They've been in the water much longer, after all.

Perhaps someone with diving and recovery experience will also comment on this thread. Grubby?

Best Wishes,

Buckleboy

I belive it has alot to do with the amount of alloy.
A Capped bust half for instance is about 80% silver 20% copper.
Those two metals react and degrade differently and at different rates in salt water..that leads to delamination and I suspect the amount or lack of turbulence of where it spent most of its time would make a difference in weather a crust formed on it and stayed put or was tumbled away in sand and water...as with many beach found cobs.
A large percentage of reales recovered from under the bottom out near the wreck and ballest piles have a crust on them.
 

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