New tracking concept for 2007 --- anyone interested?

[GMan00001]

I was planning to set up a tracking spreadsheet for 2007 for myself to track how much of a complete set of the different standard US coins I found in circulation in 2007. For example, track if a whole set of Franklin Half Dollars could be found in 2007.

If there is enough interest, it is not much more work to add a second set of columns to track the same coins for the group.

I am not exactly sure how it would work since it would become one very long topic, but as the different dates/mintmarks are found, report them to me and I can keep a running list that I will update regularly. Also could break it up where there is one topic for each coin type, i.e. pennies, nickels, etc. I am open to suggestions on that part.

The list of coins I would propose to track are the following, due to them being at least semi-regularly found:
Indian head pennies
Lincoln wheat pennies
Lincoln memorial pennies
V-Nickels
Buffalo Nickels
Jefferson Nickels
Barber Dimes
Mercury Dimes
Roosevelt Dimes
Barber Quarters
Standing Liberty Quarters
Washington Quarters
Barber Half Dollars
Walking Liberty Half Dollars
Franklin Half Dollars
Kennedy Half Dollars
Eisenhower Dollars
Susan B Anthony Dollars
Sacagawa Dollars

The list would include all regularly issued coins as well as all issues that were not intended for circulation such as proof sets and clad and silver examples of the proof coins would be listed separately.


I would propose the following rules:
1) Coins must be found in circulation, (rolls from the bank, in the "take a penny" jar at the local gas station, in change from the store, etc.)
2) Coins found while metal detecting do not count
3) Coins found prior to 2007 do not count.
4) Coins found buying others coin collections, old piggy jars at rummage sales, etc. do not count as they are no longer truly in circulation.
5) Only coins which can be identified (either by legible dates or using marking that are a single year type such as the 1883 No Cents V-Nickel) count.
6) Coins with counterfeited dates do not count.

7?) Still trying to decide if dateless coins that are treated with acid to determine the date count for this or not. Any comments?


Any thoughts, interest, rule change suggestions.

We have a few days before the new year starts.

If there is interest let's get it set up properly to start the year. If not, I'll just do it for my own coins.

GM

 

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[whitesid]

i think this is a good idea.

as for the last part i think anyway they can find the exact date(year) should count.

 

[Immy]

Great idea!!

Enough of us diverisfy with different denoms so we should be able to make quite a dent in most modern series. Early on there will probably be quite a lot of entries but as the common dates are found this should subside. One questions though GMan: are you going to track every coin to establish commonality ("That's the 12th 1939 nickel so far this year") or simply each date/MM in each series one time ("A 1987P half dollar has been found and that completes the Kennedy clad series!").

We should give a refresher course to everyone as to where mintmarks are on each series. I think acid dates are okay as that's the only way I can ID most of the buffalos I find. I assume casino finds count too? I'd also love a list of foreign coins.

 

[GMan00001]

I assume casino finds count too?

Yes, definitely.

are you going to track every coin to establish commonality ("That's the 12th 1939 nickel so far this year") or simply each date/MM in each series one time ("A 1987P half dollar has been found and that completes the Kennedy clad series!").

I was planning to track each date/MM combo in each series one time and once found, mark it as found. I don't want to track how many of each coin was found, that would likely be way too time consuming for a group like this, besides I don't think anyone cares how many 1958-D wheat pennies we find. The point is to see how complete of a collection could be found in circulation. Also, I can post updates to what has and has not been found such that the amount of upkeep will shrink as the year passes.

Based on the feedback, acid dating is currently in.

I'd also love a list of foreign coins.

I've see the XX-Thousand page book of world coins at the book store and although interesting, I am not sure how to set it up since there is quite a wide variety of foreign coin possibilities and I am not an expert enough in that area to begin to guess, if you want to take it on, be my guest.

Oh and one additional thing, if there are multiple varieties within a date/MM combination such as 1976-D Eisenhower Type 1 and Type 2, large Large date/Small Date, or Large MM/Small MM, etc., I am going track them as separate coins, but also keep a listing for that combines the types in case the finder is not sure and doesn't have a camera to post the picture. The only coins that will be included are the coins the government intended to make, no errors will be listed.

 

[Immy]

Sounds good!

As for foreign maybe you could simply include a list of which countries have been found to keep it easy.

 

[GMan00001]

As for foreign maybe you could simply include a list of which countries have been found to keep it easy

I suppose it would be possible to keep a running list of all countries found.

For foreign coins, however, a new rule will apply:
* Foreign coins must be found in the US and they cannot be transported in by travel out of the country. (as that would make it too easy)
* An additional note, US coins may be found in any country as long as they are "circulating".

Using Canada as an example.
* US coins found while in Canada would count. But Canadian coins found in Canada would not.

 

[GMan00001]

At this point, I have the tracking spreadsheet made up and ready to go for 2007.

But I did have one additional question:
I plan on creating a new thread at the beginning of the year (Dec 31/Jan 1) than summarizes all the rules mentioned here and that thread will be used for updating the current results as the year goes along. My question is: Should I use the results listed in other threads or only posts to the thread containing the list? I am leaning toward using the results from all posts as I read them anyway, but since I haven't done this before and it seems there was something similar done last year with Silver totals, what is the best way to make this work?



Regarding what to report:

I will assume the following "common" recent dates will be found so there is no need to report them:

Lincoln Pennies:
* 1959 - 2007 Philadelphia (except for 1960 small date)
* 1959 - 2007 Denver (except for 1960 small date)
* 1968 - 1974 San Francisco (except 1970 small date)

Nickels:
* 1960 - 2007 Philadelphia
* 1960 - 2007 Denver
* 1968 - 1970 San Francisco

Dimes:
* 1965 - 2007 Philadelphia
* 1968 - 2007 Denver

Quarters:
* 1965 - 2007 Philadelphia
* 1968 - 2007 Denver

Half Dollars:
* 1971 - 1974, 1976 - 1986, 1988 - 2001 Philadelphia (except 1976 silver since the red book claims they were minted)
* 1971 - 1974, 1976 - 2001 Denver (except 1987)

Dollars:
* 1980, 2000 - 2001 Philadelphia (I would list 1979 as well, but I am not which is more common narrow or wide rim)
* 1979 - 1980, 2000 - 2001 Denver

In addition, if a coin type that is not in the original list is found, report it. Although I don't expect many/any Morgan dollars, for example, to be found in circulation, it is still possible so the spreadsheet was set up to handle all coins with same size as ones listed.

A few other notes:
* Report all coins that were only available via proof set or mint set that are found in circulation as they are included in the list.
* If there are multiple subtypes of a coin (large date / Small date) for example, report which subtype you found if you are sure, otherwise try to include a picture that can be used to identify it. (If the subtype cannot be verified, I included a way to still get credit for the date/MM combination.)

 

[Immy]

Very good, GMan! By concentrating only on older coins you just eliminated a LOT of needless reports on modern dates/MMs.

I'll add a primer on finding mint marks for those who are perhaps unfamiliar with where to look.

Indian cents - [red]S only[/red] - 1908-1909 ONLY, on the reverse below the wreath

Lincoln cents - [red]D or S[/red] - Below the date on all coins. On the 1909 ONLY also look for the letters VDB on the reverse along the bottom

Liberty nickels - [red]D or S[/red] - 1912 nickels ONLY, on the reverse below the lower left hand dot

Buffalo nickels - [red]D or S[/red] - On the reverse below "FIVE CENTS"

Jefferson nickels - [red]P, D or S[/red] - From 1938-1964 on the reverse to the right of the Monticello (D or S only). Years 1943, 1944, 1945 and some 1942 have P, D, or S above the Monticello's dome.

Barber dimes - [red]D, S or O[/red] - On the reverse below the wreath

Mercury dimes - [red]D or S[/red] - On the reverse to the right of the "E" in "ONE"

Roosevelt dimes - [red]D or S[/red] - (1946-1964) On the reverse at the left base of the torch

Barber quarters - [red]D, S or O[/red] - On the reverse below the eagle's tail feathers

Standing Liberty quarters - [red]D or S[/red] - On the obverse, to the right of the bottom left star

Washington quarters - [red]D or S[/red] - (1932-1964) On the reverse above the second "R" in QUARTER

Barber half dollar - [same as Barber quarter]

Walking Liberty half - [red]D or S[/red] - (1916 & some 1917) On the obverse below "IN GOD WE TRUST"; (Some 1917, all 1918-1947) On the reverse at about 8 o'clock below the branch

Franklin half - [red]D or S[/red] - On the reverse below the "E" in STATES

Kennedy half - [red]D or S[/red] - (1964 only) On the reverse next the olive branch stem [D only]; (1968-present) Above the date

Ike dollar - [red]D or S[/red] - Above the date

Anthony dollar - [red]P, D or S[/red] - Above Anthony's right shoulder (viewer's left) [Note: some S mintmarks are not proofs]

Sacagawea dollar - [red]P, D or S[/red] -Below the date

 

[goldinmypan]

How about Commemoratives? I know a few of them were found in rolls this year.

 

[GMan00001]

Report any commemoratives found and I will try to keep a running list of what is found instead of crossing off all the possibilities.

 

[DandyDon]

All,

I appreciate the info that you all have contributed, being the New Kid I did go to the bank and asked for what they had available. Ended up going through 30 rolls of halves. At first I thought they were new rolls from the main, however I soon learned that someone had re-rolled the coins in Brinks wrappers. Even though I did not find any of the treasures you list here, I did find 87 1776-1976 clad halves as you call them. Unfortunately they were only Denver and Phillys, no signs of San Francisco mint marks. No signs of dual dies nor anyother marks on them. Are these worth keeping or should I turn them back in for some fresh rolls.

As for obtaining a box as you do, I will be picking up my first one tomorrow afternoon.

Any assistance in determining what to do with the 76s is greatly appreciated.

Don

Silver halves found in 2007:
Barber - 0
Walker - 0
Franklin - 0
90% JFK - 0
40% JFK - 0
Clad JFK - 87

 

[GMan00001]

Any assistance in determining what to do with the 76s is greatly appreciated.

I cash em in or spend em. There is one exception, the red book lists a 1976 Philly Silver Clad proof, keep any of those you find.

The 1976 Denver and 1976 Philly have the 2nd and 3rd highest mintage totals of all the clad halves and the mintage figures are about 10 to 20 times most of the clad halves produced since. The only higher mintage was for 1971-D.

HH

GM

 

[DandyDon]

GMAn00001,

The 1976 D Proof is actually a 1776-1976D proof or am I mistaken?

 

[GMan00001]

The 1976 D Proof is actually a 1776-1976D proof or am I mistaken?

I never list the 1776 part since it was actually minted in 1975 or 1976, but yes it actually says "1776-1976" on the coin. And there weren't any proof coins from 1976 from Denver only from Philadelphia.

 

[goldinmypan]

excuse me G but the proofs in 1976 were from San Fransisco. All the silver 1976 were also S mints

 

[GMan00001]

excuse me G but the proofs in 1976 were from San Fransisco. All the silver 1976 were also S mints

I am only goiong by what is listed in the 2005 Red Book and they list 1976 Silver Clad as a proof with 4,000,000 minted. They also add a note that many of these were melted in 1982. I am not sure if they exist or not since I have never seen one, but the redbook claims they do. I am guessing they were a part of a special bicentenial set of some sort.

 

[DandyDon]

GMan,

I do appreciate the research you've done on this.