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    So Unbelievable, it Must be Counterfeit - Steel 1944 Cent

    I haven't posted my finds or my thoughts here in quite some time - all in protest. I just so strongly disagreed with the overall atmosphere and with how . . . never mind. Let's talk coin.

    I found a 1944 steel cent in a bag from a new pick up bank - it was kicked to the far right by my Gen2 Frankensorter. I know that it is steel because it is STRONGLY attracted to a magnet (1944 Steel Cent - YouTube). My guess is that it is counterfeit - mostly because it's weight is 10% high compared to a 1943 steel.

    I'm posting the find here, but not discussing it. I am actively discussing it at Realcent.org ? View topic - Found 1944 Steel Cent

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    interesting - the reverse looks good, but the obverse looks a little smoothed over ( possible plated )

    What is the exact weight? Foreign plachet perhaps.

    I am undecided - I but I appreciate your hesitation to get all excited. In numismatics, it usually leads to a let down.
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    Well I'm no expert but it looks fine to me. And why would the evil Chinese fake that coin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercury1 View Post
    Well I'm no expert but it looks fine to me. And why would the evil Chinese fake that coin?
    Oh, nevermind. It's the date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercury1 View Post
    ... why would the evil Chinese fake that coin?
    Because if it is real, it is worth over $50k in all but the worst grade. (The Ultimate Guide to 1944 Steel Cents: Like 1943 Copper Pennies, They are Pennies that Coin Collectors Crave - The Fun Times Guide to U.S. Coins)

    Quote Originally Posted by http://coins.thefuntimesguide.com/2013/01/1944-steel-penny.php
    Worth far more than the famous 1909-S VDB penny – the rarest regular-issue Lincoln cent, the 1944 steel penny is worth between $75,000 and $110,000, based on condition.

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    What a long strange trip its been..

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    lets us know what you find out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoinFetcher View Post

    What is the exact weight? Foreign plachet perhaps.
    The US Mint used the 1943 steel cent planchets in 1944 to make the Belgian 2 francs. That is probably how most of the 1944 steel cents originated.

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    Fingers crossed for you madwest. That would be the find of the decade if it's authentic!

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    I looked at eleven 1944 cents I have here. All of them have even sized "4's. Your photo as it appears to me shows an altered second "4". It appears to me to be slightly smaller which could indicate tampering. For the potential value if its real, it would be worth having it graded.
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    I talked to a Seattle area coin dealer at a coin show a couple months ago who said to watch out for altered or fake coins as a result of striking Boeing engineers having too much time. They have the equipment and know-how to take out letters, add letters, even hollow out coins. I was showing this dealer a cent with an unusually large lamination and he said it looked like their handy work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoinFetcher View Post
    interesting - the reverse looks good, but the obverse looks a little smoothed over ( possible plated )

    What is the exact weight? Foreign plachet perhaps.

    I am undecided - I but I appreciate your hesitation to get all excited. In numismatics, it usually leads to a let down.
    It weighs 3.0g. That is lighter than a 1944 Brass cent and heavier than a 1943 Steel cent. It looks to the naked eye to be very slightly thicker than a 1943. Those observations make me believe that it is a struck counterfeit. It just doesn't look cast to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by LooseChange View Post
    Because if it is real, it is worth over $50k in all but the worst grade.
    It's not so much about grade, but about authentic or not. There are expected to be less than 30 genuine errors of this type.

    Quote Originally Posted by sagittarius98 View Post
    The US Mint used the 1943 steel cent planchets in 1944 to make the Belgian 2 francs. That is probably how most of the 1944 steel cents originated.
    That's what my research shows too. It's a different story if it is a 'D' or 'S' but Philly did the Belgian minting on the Zn over Steel blanks. It should however match the 1943 in dimensions a weight - at least that is what I've learned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainman 2 View Post
    Fingers crossed for you madwest. That would be the find of the decade if it's authentic!
    Thanks for the well wishes mountainman. But, I don't think it will be authentic. As far as I'm concerned, your '55 DDO is still the most remarkable CRH find I've read about.
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    nice!
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    although the 2nd. 4 doesn't look exactly like the first, (a little High & or Smaller)
    IF it sticks to a magnet, I'd send it in for confirmation.

    You should be able to tell though IF the second 4 is a paste on

    Forget the Chinese this is either real, or the date or outside
    metal content has been altered in the U.S.

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    also seems to Bow slightly, But I'm no expert

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