"Coins come from the couriers"

Kaekue

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I think this needs its own thread. I think a lot of people are confused about where the coins/notes really come from.


Quote Originally Posted by D1MES_101
PEOPLE GET THIS RIGHT THEY DONT ORDER IT FROM THE FED THEY GET IT FROM TEH COURIERS!!!!! it annoys me sooo much!!!!!!



The banks in my area all tell me that they send the coins bags from the machine to the fed. I have watched them fill out the shipping form on the bags for the couriers to pick up and it says To: FED. I have asked multiple bank managers and the assistant vice president of a local chain of banks in my area and they have all said that the coins go to the fed and the coins come from the fed. All of my boxes that I receive have FED written on them. I have been told by all of the bank managers that these couriers are.. well couriers. Meaning they deliver these boxes from one point to another and they are paid for that. I am not sure if these couriers get bags of coins from the fed and roll and box the coins for them, but they must go to and come from the fed. When the banks in my area order coins they do not order them from the courier websites, they order them from the fed website. Now, it is possible that every single bank manager in my area is misinformed, but I highly doubt that.

Where exactly did you get this information that they "come from the courier". Where does the courier get these coins? At some point they had to come from the fed no? Or does the courier sell and buy coins from all of the banks? When new coins are released every year do these couriers make them? No, they must come from the fed. According to the feds website: Federal (FED) "Reserve Banks distribute new and circulated coin to depository institutions to meet the public's demand, and take as deposits coin that exceeds the public's needs."

The same thing happens with notes. "The 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks, through their network of Districts and branches throughout the country, distribute Federal Reserve notes to the public through depository institutions. Reserve Banks process notes on high-speed sorting machines that check to ensure that they are genuine and fit for recirculation. If the notes are not genuine, Reserve Banks forward them to the local U.S. Secret Service office. If they are genuine and still in good condition, the notes are sent to depository institutions to fill new orders for currency. An individual note continues moving through this cycle until it is deemed unfit, or too worn, to be kept in circulation. Unfit notes are destroyed on-site at Reserve Banks in order to maintain the quality of currency in circulation."

Now it is a common theme here that these coins come from specific couriers and you should not dump and pick up from the same courier, but it sounds like no matter what you are dumping and getting coins from the same regional federal reserve bank unless you dump in a different region. Is this not what Timzim was trying to accomplish when he dumped in AC?

Some more Q&As that support these statements that the coins go to and come from the "fed"

Q: Where can I get new uncirculated coins?
A: Neither the Federal Reserve Banks nor the U.S. Mint provide coins directly to the public for circulation purposes. Instead, coins are placed into circulation through depository institutions (e.g. banks, savings & loans, credit unions, thrifts). The Reserve Banks issue circulated coins before new coins. You may need to contact several banks about supplies of new coins. The U.S. Mint sells certain commemorative and collectible coins and coin sets to the public through their website at The United States Mint (Off-site Link)

Q: Where can I get $2 bills?
A: Local banks should have $2 bills. If your bank does not have any current inventory, it can order $2 bills from the Federal Reserve Bank.

This Q&A proves that the banks are able to order directly from the FED. If they are able to order $2 bills, why not half dollars?

If you are going to keep saying on here that they "go to and come from the "couriers", please provide some evidence instead of just stating your opinion as though it is fact. Also, if this is the case, please do not use the term "couriers" because a courier is : A messenger who transports goods or documents, in particular.
 

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I think, by marking your coins, you can see that they do indeed go to and from the couriers... Now your write up sounds pretty convincing, but just by what I have personally seen, they do not "always" go to the fed... Maybe they do sometimes, but, when you have users dating marked coins, and you find them within a week of the date, from the same courier that the person dumped into... its pretty obvious they dont travel to and from the fed(usually), and instead get packaged up by the couriers.

The fed probably holds a bulk of the coins, and only releases them to the couriers if the couriers are running low on their own supply, or if they have too much they can send them to the fed.

Like I said, im not a banker, I hate the FED, and im just going by what I have seen in the last 8-9 months of me CRHing. Just my 50 cents.

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I think info is right they work in unison, the fed holds the bulk of the money and releases it to the transporters as needed.
I got this from the brinks sight, Coin Processing Services

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That’s a lot of coin—and a lot of coin counting, coin sorting, coin wrapping and coin verification. Fortunately, there’s Brink’s. Brink’s is a world-leading provider of coin wrapping and processing services. Today we handle more than $3.0 billion worth of coin each year for the nation's most coin-intensive businesses, including banks, vending companies, highway authorities, telephone companies and operators of retail coin counting machines.

Brink's coin processing services include coin counting, coin sorting, coin verification, coin wrapping, and change order processing. With each service, you'll get:
 

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I just posted on the other thread but I'm going to move the content here. Before I copy/paste, I will say that most views expressed above are correct, even if they seem to be opposed. Coins often times never leave a particular area. They are passed from bank to courier to bank. That doesn't mean it's incorrect to say "coin is ordered from the fed". It is incorrect to say "coin doesn't come from the fed".

Copied from my other post:

My understanding is the bank orders it from the fed, via the courier. They get it from the bank and it's delivered by the courier. Business is ultimately done between the bank and the fed. The courier is contracted as a means of warehousing and transportation. It is true that most coin goes from one bank to the courier back to another bank. That doesn't mean it's incorrect to say coin is ordered from the Fed.

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From the other thread:

If the only place coin comes from is "The Fed", why do we continuously have threads saying Brinks culls silver? How would that be possible? Clearly Brinks sorts, counts, wraps, and delivers coin.
 

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From the other thread:

If the only place coin comes from is "The Fed", why do we continuously have threads saying Brinks culls silver? How would that be possible? Clearly Brinks sorts, counts, wraps, and delivers coin.

It isn't.
 

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It isn't.

It is...I have personally talked with a Brinks Truck Driver in my hometown and I straight up asked him "Do you guys go through the coins and take out the silver?" and he said "Not anymore. We used to back in like 2005, 2006, but the silver's pretty much all gone." Now I don't know if he was feeding me a line or what, but that's what he told me.
 

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Kaekue

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I just posted on the other thread but I'm going to move the content here. Before I copy/paste, I will say that most views expressed above are correct, even if they seem to be opposed. Coins often times never leave a particular area. They are passed from bank to courier to bank. That doesn't mean it's incorrect to say "coin is ordered from the fed". It is incorrect to say "coin doesn't come from the fed".

Copied from my other post:

My understanding is the bank orders it from the fed, via the courier. They get it from the bank and it's delivered by the courier. Business is ultimately done between the bank and the fed. The courier is contracted as a means of warehousing and transportation. It is true that most coin goes from one bank to the courier back to another bank. That doesn't mean it's incorrect to say coin is ordered from the Fed.

OO

I agree. Many people on this board though have stated that the fed have nothing to do with it and it all comes from the couriers. I think the bags of coins get taken from the banks to the fed by the couriers. When orders are placed (which is why they are placed days ahead of time), the courier gets the needed coins/notes from the fed and rolls/boxes the coins to be delivered to the banks that they service. It is possible that the courier carries a small stock of coins/notes but they all come from the fed.
 

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VERY FEW banks have their own central vault.
MOST banks today use Brinks/etal as their central vault for both currency and coin. Hence, the mis-perception that when banks get their coins from Brinks/etal, that the Fed is not involved. Really, the Fed might be largely involved.

MANY banks and credit unions do indeed order coin exclusively from Fed.
MANY banks and credit unions do indeed deposit coin bags exclusively to the Fed.

The part of the picture that people here are missing is that sometimes Brinks is the FED.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/paymentsystems/coin_about.htm said:
Coin
The Federal Reserve's role in coin operations is more limited than its role in currency operations. As the issuing authority for coins, the United States Mint determines annual coin production. The Reserve Banks, however, influence the process by providing the Mint with monthly coin orders and a 12-month rolling coin-order forecast. The Mint transports the coin from its production facilities for circulating coin in Philadelphia and Denver to all of the Reserve Banks and the Reserve Banks' coin terminal locations.

The Reserve Banks distribute new and circulated coin to depository institutions to meet the public's demand. While the Reserve Banks store some coin in their vaults, they also contract with coin terminals to store, process, and distribute coin on behalf of the Federal Reserve. Armored carrier companies generally operate the coin terminals; the coin terminals have improved the efficiency of the coin-distribution system.
 

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I'm with six different banks and CU's. When they ship out coin, it all goes to the same central bank of a different name.
 

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I agree. Many people on this board though have stated that the fed have nothing to do with it and it all comes from the couriers. I think the bags of coins get taken from the banks to the fed by the couriers. When orders are placed (which is why they are placed days ahead of time), the courier gets the needed coins/notes from the fed and rolls/boxes the coins to be delivered to the banks that they service. It is possible that the courier carries a small stock of coins/notes but they all come from the fed.

Kaekue,
I can only speak for my area. It may be different depending on your region and proximity to a Fed location. I believe my banks are under the Kansas City Fed Res. Here, coin doesn't typically go to the fed. The couriers warehouse and deliver coin/currency locally. Obviously there are limits that will trigger a delivery of more coin to the courier or coin being transferred back to the fed (or maybe a different courier). But the money isn't literally going from the bank to the fed.

I CRH Brinks. I dump Loomis. Despite having a small location in Tulsa, Brinks main coin warehouse is run out of OKC. They always roll the coin. One time they ran out of paper and told my bank they can only deliver in $1k bags. The bags I received were straight off various bank coin counters. I got 6 bags that week and they had the original bank information still written on the bags. They were from various banks all over Oklahoma. I found all kinds of junk in those bags, as well as some silver.

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I'm with six different banks and CU's. When they ship out coin, it all goes to the same central bank of a different name.

It's been awhile fistfull. I hope the silver dimes are flowing...

I can echo fistfull's report in my area. I'm only familiar with two couriers here. I explained my understanding of Brinks (above). Everything not done by Brinks is filtered back to a large state bank called BOk. I've stopped at several CU's and small banks and the coin is delivered from and back to BOk (via Loomis).

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NEW coins come from the Fed. Circulated coins almost never return to the Fed except for those unwanted ugly $1 coins.

When a bank ships off a bag "to the Fed", they kinda do, but then again they really do not. Brinks/Loomis, etc pick up the coins. They count (often by weight) the coins. They then deposit that amount into the bank's account AT THE FED. But, they keep the coins to be rerolled and reboxed and start the whole process over again.

The cash value goes to the Fed. The coins stay with the couriers.
 

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NEW coins come from the Fed. Circulated coins almost never return to the Fed except for those unwanted ugly $1 coins.

When a bank ships off a bag "to the Fed", they kinda do, but then again they really do not. Brinks/Loomis, etc pick up the coins. They count (often by weight) the coins. They then deposit that amount into the bank's account AT THE FED. But, they keep the coins to be rerolled and reboxed and start the whole process over again.

The cash value goes to the Fed. The coins stay with the couriers.

Thats one of the best discriptions ive heard about the coins going to/from the FED

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I got bored just reading the title to this thread.
 

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