bank manager tells me that Im money laundering

[dreamboxvip]

bank manager tells me that I'm money laundering

Just like the title reads, i went into my dump bank and was dumping my coins just like i do every tuesday and the manager came over to do a bag change and tells me that I'm money laundering lol.

 

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[SanMartian]

He could tell you were commiting thought crimes... Or he's an idiot with a bad sense of humor. Probably the latter. He will probably be gone in a couple of months or he'll be the branch manager.
Oh, well... Good luck!

 

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Interesting, this happened to me last Saturday at a Chase bank. I wanted to deposit $400 cash into my wife's account so she would have some spending money while out of town. They told me they do not take cash deposits due to money laundering issues, unless I was named on my wife's account. Since when did banks quit taking good ole cold hard cash and coins. I can understand making a withdrawal, but a deposit? I had to go to a local store and get a money order, ....., they took that without any problem then told me there is a 3 day hold on it lol.

I actually bank with Chase as well and noticed they actually had a sign hanging up by the counter that said that they did not allow deposits into an account unless you are named on the account.

 

[waxy luster]

I did some money laundering last night. I ran all of my clad through the rock tumbler,

Tip your waitress & try the veal, Sheppie Green 'll be here all week, folks.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34


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[dreamboxvip]

It was a mixture of him being serious and laughing. I'm not sure why he said it but he's been at the bank for as long as i've went to it (about a year) interestingly enough it was only went he had to for the first time make a bag change that he said that. Maybe because he didn't like that he had to change it and wanted to scare me into not coming back? Who knows?

 

[Omega]

I got accused of this once, not funny and not a joking manor, my account was closed the next day.

 

[huntsman53]

Ask and tell him, does this look like a Laundry Mat to you?, so no I am not money laundering. State that you washed all of the coins before bringing them to the Bank. See what kind of reaction you get from that.


Frank

 

[dreamboxvip]

Its very funny because the manager is an idiot. Actual money laundering is not funny.

 

[Red James Cash]

Money Laundering and The Drug Trade: The Role of the Banks

Mexico is in the grip of a murderous drug war that has killed over 150,000 people since 2006. It is one of the most violent countries on earth. This drug war is a product of the transnational drug trade which is worth up to $400 billion a year and accounts for about 8% of all international trade.

The American government maintains that there is no alternative but to vigorously prosecute their zero tolerance policy of arresting drug users and their dealers. This has led to the incarceration of over 500,000 Americans. Meanwhile the flood of illegal drugs into America continues unabated.

One thing the American government has not done is to prosecute the largest banks in the world for supporting the drug cartels by washing billions of dollars of their blood stained money. As Narco sphere journalist Bill Conroy has observed banks are ”where the money is” in the global drug war.

HSBC, Western Union, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase&Co, Citigroup, Wachovia amongst many others have allegedly failed to comply with American anti-money laundering (AML) laws.

The Mexican drug cartels have caught the headlines again and again due to their murderous activities. The war between the different drug cartels and the war between the cartels and government security forces has spilled the blood of tens of thousands of innocent people. The drug cartels would find it much harder to profit from their murderous activity if they didn’t have too big to fail banks willing to wash their dirty money.

In March 2010 Wachovia cut a deal with the US government which involved the bank being given fines of $160 million under a ”deferred prosecution” agreement. This was due to Wachovia’s heavy involvement in money laundering moving up to $378.4 billion over several years. Not one banker was prosecuted for illegal involvement in the drugs trade. Meanwhile small time drug dealers and users go to prison.

If any member of the public is caught in possession of a few grammes of coke or heroin you can bet your bottom dollar they will be going down to serve some hard time. However, if you are a bankster caught laundering billions of dollars for some of the most murderous people on the planet you get off with a slap on the wrist in the form of some puny fine and a deferred prosecution deal.

Charles A. Intriago, president of the Miami-based Association of Certified Financial Crime Specialists has observed, “… If you’re an individual, and get caught, you get hammered.

“But if you’re a big bank, and you’re caught moving money for a terrorist or drug dealer, you don’t have to worry. You just fork over a monetary penalty, and then raise your fees to make up for it.

“Until we see bankers walking off in handcuffs to face charges in these cases, nothing is going to change,” Intriago adds. “These monetary penalties are just a cost of doing business to them, like paying for a new corporate jet.”

This failure on the behalf of the US government to really crack down on the finances of the drug cartels extends to British banks as well. In July 2012 the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs issued a 339 page report detailing an amazing catalogue of ”criminal ” behaviour by London based HSBC. This includes washing over $881 for the Mexican Sinaloa Cartel and for the Norte del Valle Cartel in Colombia. Besides this, HSBC affiliated banks such as HBUS repeatedly broke American AML laws by their long standing and severe AML deficiencies which allowed Saudi banks such as Al Rajhi to finance terrorist groups that included Al-Qaeda. HBUS the American affiliate of HSBC supplied Al Rajhi bank with nearly $1 billion in US dollars.

Jack Blum an attorney and former Senate investigator has commented, “They violated every goddamn law in the book. They took every imaginable form of illegal and illicit business.”

HSBC affiliate HBUS was repeatedly instructed to improve its anti-money laundering program. In 2003 the Federal Reserve Bank of New York took enforcement action that called upon HBUS to improve its anti-money laundering program. In September 2010 the Office of Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) sent a,”blistering supervisory letter” to HBUS listing numerous AML problems at the bank.

In October 2010 this was followed up with the OCC issuing a cease and desist order requiring HBUS to improve its AML program a second time. Senator Carl Levin chairman of the Senate investigation into HSBC has commented that ,”HSBC’s Chief Compliance Officer and other senior executives in London knew what was going on, but allowed the deceptive conduct to continue.”

Let us look at just a couple of the devastating findings in the Senate report. The main focus of the report is the multiple failures of HSBC to comply with AML laws and regulations:

”The identified problems included a once massive backlog of over 17,000 alertsidentifying possible suspicious activity that had yet to be reviewed; ineffective methods foridentifying suspicious activity; a failure to file timely Suspicious Activity Reports with U.S. law enforcement; … a 3-year failure by HBUS [a HSBC affiliate] , from mid-2006 to mid-2009, to conduct any AML monitoring of $15 billion in bulk cash transactions … a failure to monitor $60 trillion in annual wire transfer activity bycustomers …inadequate andunqualified AML staffing; inadequate AML resources; and AML leadership problems. Sincemany of these criticisms targeted severe, widespread,and long standing AML deficiencies,…..”

The report catalogues in great detail the failings of HSBC affiliates HBUS in America and HMEX in Mexico:

”from 2007 through 2008, HBMX was the single largest exporter ofU.S. dollars to HBUS, shipping $7 billion in cash to HBUS over two years, outstripping larger Mexican banks and other HSBC affiliates. Mexican and U.S. authorities expressed repeated concern that HBMX’s bulk cash shipments could reach that volume only if they included illegal drug proceeds. The concern was that drug traffickers unable to deposit large amounts of cash in U.S. banks due to AML controls were transporting U.S. dollars to Mexico, arranging for bulk deposits there, and then using Mexican financial institutions to insert the cash back into the U.S. financial system. … high profile clients involved in drug trafficking; millions of dollars in suspicious bulk travelers cheque transactions; inadequate staffing and resources; and a huge backlog of accounts marked for closure due to suspicious activity, but whose closures were delayed.”

In the Senate hearing on 17 July 2012 Carl Levin Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs explained how HMEX helped the Mexican drug cartels:

”Because our tough AML laws in the United States have made it hard for drug cartels to find a U.S. bank willing to accept huge unexplained deposits of cash, they now smuggle U.S. dollars across the border into Mexico and look for a Mexican bank or casa de cambio willing to take the cash. Some of those casas de cambios had accounts at HBMX. HBMX, in turn, took all the physical dollars it got and transported them by armored car or aircraft back across the border to HBUS for deposit into its U.S. banknotes account, completing the laundering cycle.”

Senator Levin went on to note how:

”Over two years, from 2007 to 2008, HBMX shipped $7 billion in physical U.S. dollars to HBUS. That was more than any other Mexican bank, even one twice HBMX’s size. When law enforcement and bank regulators in Mexico and the United States got wind of the banknotes transactions, they warned HBMX and HBUS that such large dollar volumes were red flags for drug proceeds moving through the HSBC network.”

In December 2012 the Department of Justice cut a deal with HSBC which imposed a record $1.9 billion dollar fine. It may sound a lot to ordinary folks but it is a tiny fraction of its annual profits which in 2011 totalled $22 billion. Assistant Attorney General Lanny Bauer announced the settlement at a press conference on 11 December 2012. His comments reveal why the US government decided to go soft on such criminal behaviour and show quite clearly how there is one law for the richest 1% and one law for the rest of us. Lenny Bauer said:

”Had the U.S. authorities decided to press criminal charges, HSBC would almost certainly have lost its banking license in the U.S., the future of the institution would have been under threat and the entire banking system would have been destabilized.”

Think about that statement for a moment. A bank that has quite clearly been caught out helping murderous drug criminals, terrorist groups, third world dictatorships and all sorts of criminal characters is to be let off with a slap on the wrist. No criminal prosecutions or even a mention of criminal behaviour due to the fears that to do so would put the world economy in jeopardy. So there you have it. Banksters who engage in such behaviour that is regarded as criminal by the vast majority of people on the planet are not only too big to fail they are also too big to jail.

After the Department of Justice announcement of the deferred prosecution HSBC Chief Executive Stuart Gulliver said,

“We accept responsibility for our past mistakes. We have said we are profoundly sorry for them, and we do so again.”

Such statements will provide little solace to the families of the 150,000 people estimated by US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta to have been killed in Mexico’s drug war. Nor will it help the hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens who have been forced to flee their homes and escape the violence by going to the United Sates or moving to other parts of Mexico.

Senator Elizabeth Warren appearing at a meeting of the Senate Banking Committee in February expressed frustration with officials from the US Treasury Department and US Federal Reserve over the issue of why criminal charges were not pressed on HSBC or any of its officials. The officials were evasive when she tried to draw them on the issue of what it takes for a bank to have its licence withdrawn:

”HSBC paid a fine, but no one individual went to trial, no individual was banned from banking, and there was no hearing to consider shutting down HSBC’s activities here in the United States. So, what I’d like is, you’re the experts on money laundering. I’d like an opinion: What does it take — how many billions do you have to launder for drug lords and how many economic sanctions do you have to violate — before someone will consider shutting down a financial institution like this?”

Senator Warren finished the session by commenting on the glaring double standards within the US justice system:

“You know, if you’re caught with an ounce of cocaine, the chances are good you’re going to go to jail. If it happens repeatedly, you may go to jail for the rest of your life. But evidently, if you launder nearly a billion dollars for drug cartels and violate our international sanctions, your company pays a fine and you go home and sleep in your own bed at night, every single individual associated with this. I think that’s fundamentally wrong.”

On 4 March 2013 HSBC announced profits of $20.6 billion in 2012 while it paid out a $3 million bonus to its CEO. This outrageous state of affairs beggars belief after HSBC has been clearly caught out engaging in activity on behalf of murderous drug lords, terrorist financing banks and brutal third world dictatorships. Where is the British Government’s condemnation of HSBC? You may be waiting a long time for that considering the fact that Chancellor George Osborne and his fellow ministers are intimately connected to the British banking elite.

Long time observer of the Mexican drug war Bill Conroy comments that the deal cut with HSBC by the Department of Justice,

”should illuminate for all the great pretense of the drug war — no matter how hard US prosecutors, via the mainstream media, attempt to convince us otherwise. …And it should lead us to conclude, if we are honest with ourselves, that the so-called drug war is little more than one immense “drug deal.”

 

[50cent]

Its very funny because the manager is an idiot. Actual money laundering is not funny.

It doesn't matter if it actually was money laundering. This is not a police state where you can report people based on your discretion of what they are up to is illegal; They might be able to tip off law enforcement but they can't (or at least shoudlnt be able to) tell you not to dump coins/cash and close your account based on a mere suspicion. If law enforcement is concerned with money laundering, they get a warrant and they find out for themselves.

If anyone did have their account closed, report the bank to the . Visit OCC: Home Page and file a complaint stating a bank closed your account based on a false money laundering accusation. You can also sue the bank in court for damaging your reputation as you were accused of money laundering but never proven of it. Your account was closed, causing you undue , stress, headache, monetary loss, and a damaged reputation. Omega, you might want to call a lawyer, and do the latter.

 

[BuffaloBoy]

It doesn't matter if it actually was money laundering. This is not a police state where you can report people based on your discretion of what they are up to is illegal; They might be able to tip off law enforcement but they can't (or at least shoudlnt be able to) tell you not to dump coins/cash and close your account based on a mere suspicion. If law enforcement is concerned with money laundering, they get a warrant and they find out for themselves.

If anyone did have their account closed, report the bank to the . Visit OCC: Home Page and file a complaint stating a bank closed your account based on a false money laundering accusation. You can also sue the bank in court for damaging your reputation as you were accused of money laundering but never proven of it. Your account was closed, causing you undue , stress, headache, monetary loss, and a damaged reputation. Omega, you might want to call a lawyer, and do the latter.

That's what's wrong with America. Everybody sues anybody for anything... smh

 

[Red James Cash]

Well what we have here is a bank that allegedly launders money for the drug cartels accusing an innocent person of laundering money,ironic isnt it?

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

I'd like to think I woulda said, "Yeah, and there's such thing as slander and liable, you making accusations"?
I'd a probably just stood there, with the dumb look that's still free, as my mind blanked though.

 

[50cent]

That's what's wrong with America. Everybody sues anybody for anything... smh

What's wrong with America is that you cannot challenge people to duels. Imagine if you were in Omega's shoes..... Accused of money laundering and having your account shut down?? What would you do, just smile and twiddle your thumbs? You're likely on some kind of watch list, accused of criminal activity all due to some false closing by a bank manager, where the reason your account was closed was because of "money laundering". Looks real good. Imagine if a background check found that out? You do realize credit agencies are contacted for your credit score for employment screeening, if an employer found out you (allegedly) laundered money, you can kiss that job good bye. I personally think this needs to go beyond sueing, the the bank manager and bank CEO should both be executed for their crimes, but hey, that's what's wrong with America (I'm being rhetorical). Suing is the ONLY CIVIL WAY to remedy a problem. People are sued too frequently I agree, but this is an actualy case, where someone was truly negatively effected.

 

[Manhunter]

Man hunter, my younger brother also has a chase account. He goes to college about 5 hours away now. If he calls and needs money for something it's a real pain since I can't just go deposit some cash for him. I don't really get it. Bank of America still let's you deposit in other peoples account though.

Yes, our son has a Bank of America account and is away at college as well. We deposit cash into his account all the time, no problem. Guess it just varies by company.

 

[Manhunter]

I actually bank with Chase as well and noticed they actually had a sign hanging up by the counter that said that they did not allow deposits into an account unless you are named on the account.

They would allow deposits from non-account holders with certified funds or wire transfer, just not cash.

 

[Red James Cash]

Man you guys have to get your accounts out of those corrupt banks,pick small banks or better yet credit unions.