what happened to this fellas????

[lazooro]

hi
can please tell me someone what are these??
were coins or coins alike, token or just something, weird stuff
greetings

 

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[72cheyenne]

Lincoln cents -- looks like they have been on a beach for a while, or in a rock tumbler. They obviously have been worn down smooth looking. Can you make out the dates on them. One looks like 1972.

 

[lazooro]

both 72..but this is not a worn case...they are uniface struck, nobody took one side off.
one isn't copper at all.
normally cents weight cca 2,53g but this are 2,07g copper and 1,91g non copper coin.
really odd!

they look that might be attached to something

 

[lazooro]

oh my...it is true!!! instead 19mm they are both 18mm!!!
ufff what is going on here??

 

[lazooro]

yes they are regular thickness ..but i have third one without anything on also 18mm that is 1mm thick.
i got them couple of years ago from Germany i think in some lot..
all in all strange coins and never seen something alike!
thank you for helping!

 

[l.cutler]

I believe they are cast counterfeits.

 

[DigginThePast]

I agree with l.cutler in that they look to be cast. It also looks to me that they are both dated 1972.

In 1972 there was a famous but fairly rare ($$$) error with the Cent piece. This error was a double die obverse.

Perhaps someone was trying to counterfit these rare error coins. Nothing shows on the reverse as they were trying to get the error portion fine tuned before worrying about the rest of the coin.

These could be early casts ("proofs" if you will) of a counterfit attempt. Depending on the origin of the coin, we would see many degrees of quality.

 

[l.cutler]

I can't say why someone would counterfeit cents, but apparently someone did! They have all the telltale signs of being cast, bubbles, mushy details. They arent done well enough to deceive, they are only one sided and poorly done. I would expect a kid fooling around, or someone practicing. Heck I did it myself when I was a teenager!

 

[jasper62]

Looks like "PMD"Post mint Damage.Damage or altered after leaving the Mint

 

[Nick A]

Looks like "PMD"Post mint Damage.Damage or altered after leaving the Mint

Agreed. Not mint errors.

My guess is acid.

 

[lazooro]

I can't say why someone would counterfeit cents, but apparently someone did! They have all the telltale signs of being cast, bubbles, mushy details. They arent done well enough to deceive, they are only one sided and poorly done. I would expect a kid fooling around, or someone practicing. Heck I did it myself when I was a teenager!

hmmm... this IS interesting.


LaZoOro, do you have another US penny to post in a side to side comparison?

here are some more pics. coins are smaller so Lincoln and letters too.. if not it would be all outside bounds.
so if it is a copy it is not a direct copy of a original coin..it is a really odd thing.mint error would be still same size letters and all on it.
and of course this one: why trying to copy a cent?? really some 1972 with big value
greetings

 

[lazooro]

and this side..

 

[l.cutler]

Cast objects shrink when they cool, how much depends on the metal used. Smaller than a real cent also points to a cast counterfeit because a real cent is used for the mold, then the cast coin shrinks. The edges also look to have casting marks.

 

[p2c]

Congratulations! you found one of the 1,070,000 pennies I made ... that was a lot of work to scam $10,000 from coinstar machines, not to mention I spent more than that on the copper... -- Just kidding.

I bet someone was trying to forge double die error by making a cast. There are so many counterfeit coins, especially coming from China these days, that I am not surprised. It may have been a failed attempt and the person who failed decided to recoup some of their loss by spending them. My father-in-law gave me a British Trade Dollar for Christmas that he bought in China; it looked good, but when I weighed it, it was 20 grams -- a real one weighs 25.