Coin ID

[sagittarius98]

Occasionally, even I have to ask for a coin ID. I can tell it is silver by the sound, but the lack of any words (except for an "R" beside the guy's head) has stumped me. The R might be part of Rex.

 

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[Iron Patch]

British King George III Halfpenny. (1806 or 07) If large like a dollar it's a one penny

 

[sagittarius98]

British King George III Halfpenny. (1806 or 07) If large like a dollar it's a one penny

Wouldn't it be copper and not silver then?

 

[Iron Patch]

Wouldn't it be copper and not silver then?

I doubt it's silver. Put it under a very bright light and look for scratch. Should be easy to see if it's copper color or white metal.

 

[sagittarius98]

I doubt it's silver. Put it under a very bright light and look for scratch. Should be easy to see if it's copper color or white metal.

It is silver all the way through, and it has the same exact sound as a .720 Netherlands gulden (a random junk silver coin I pulled out). It is about 28 mm.

 

[Iron Patch]

It is silver all the way through, and it has the same exact sound as a .720 Netherlands gulden (a random junk silver coin I pulled out). It is about 28 mm.

If you clearly see white metal it's probably a counterfeit made of lead, pewter, tombac, or whatever crazy mix they came up with. Judging by sound is not always a clear indication of the metal, and not even a very good one sometimes.

 

[sagittarius98]

If you clearly see white metal it's probably a counterfeit made of lead, pewter, tombac, or whatever crazy mix they came up with. Judging by sound is not always a clear indication of the metal, and not even a very good one sometimes.

Do you think it would be a period counterfeit? Also, the date would be interesting, since all of the other coins were about 50-75 years newer.

 

[Generic_Lad]

It certainly is a 1806/7 George III copper.

Like most Soho mint issues, there are off metal strikes known, but I doubt one would be found in that shape since most were proof.

I suppose it could be a period counterfeit, but I've never heard of/seen one (most copper stopped being counterfeited after 1797 when official coppers started to be minted again).

Certainly is an interesting coin.

 

[Iron Patch]

It's very true the cartwheel penny and early 19th century George coppers were not counterfeited anywhere near as much, but if it's definitely 100% white metal counterfeit is most likely the case. It reminds me of some late 18th century coppers (12 Deniers and 2 Sols) that come out of the ground looking like silver but are not. What I don't know is how the base metal would look with a scratch test, but if your coin tests white, and the French one does, then I think what they have in common (the composition) may be the answer.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/350125-1792-french-2-sols.html#post3328613

 

[Silver Searcher]

There is a 1807 Silver proof...and Gold and even Platinum....

SS

 

[sagittarius98]

I realized I never said the weight, it is 8.23 grams. I'll try to get the density soon.

 

[huntsman53]

You don't need to do a scratch test on the coin. It already has a hole drilled in it, so just remove some of the material on the sides (shavings) of the drilled hole. This will tell you if it is copper or not! After that, take the shavings to a Jewelry Store or Pawn Shop and they can test for Silver.


Frank

 

[sagittarius98]

You don't need to do a scratch test on the coin. It already has a hole drilled in it, so just remove some of the material on the sides (shavings) of the drilled hole. This will tell you if it is copper or not! After that, take the shavings to a Jewelry Store or Pawn Shop and they can test for Silver.


Frank

I think I will measure the volume and then find the density, which should tell me what metal it is.

 

[cudamark]

Is this just a curiousity? I guess what I'm asking is, what value would a coin in this condition have regardless of what it's made of or if it's real or not? Looks like a total cull to me.

 

[sagittarius98]

Is this just a curiousity? I guess what I'm asking is, what value would a coin in this condition have regardless of what it's made of or if it's real or not? Looks like a total cull to me.

I am wondering too. I want to get a good ID regardless of value.

 

[sagittarius98]

I am taking a trip to the Smokies starting Friday, so I won't do the density test until I come back most likely.