1885 cc Morgan ~ Real or Fake?

[Joe777Cool]

Bought a grossly mis-categorized coin on eBay and this is what arrived. Got about $70 invested in it.

My concerns: slightly overweight, weak "1885", uneven wear

Doesn't stick to magnet, does have a silver "ring" to it although slighly different from a test Morgan

what do you think?

 

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[BigWaveDave]

ummmm.... uh-oh. not the expert around here, but I'm not feelin it on this one Joe.

 

[Joe777Cool]

ummmm.... uh-oh. not the expert around here, but I'm not feelin it on this one Joe.

me either.....that why I posted! No big deal really, eBay will make the guy take it back so no worries. Guy listed it as a gold coin and a "proof pattern coin" with a stock picture of a Morgan so I figured I'd gamble a bit.

 

[BigWaveDave]

hope you get it worked out...

 

[huntsman53]

Yep, although the coin in most appearances, looks very good, I still have a feeling that it is a Counterfeit but a good one. It has great sharp and crisp edges on all of the details and lettering which is what you would want to see and I could discount the Date due to the damage or hit that it suffered. However, the significant things to me that stand out and say Counterfeit is 1) the indistinct Stars which lack sharp points, 2) evidence of Die Clashing on the Reverse which is too strong or pronounced considering the amount of wear and damage on the coin and 3) the rim and rim ticking (not denticles) or at least what little I can see, appear a little weird as if two coins were used to make this one (i.e. the Obverse cut from an 1885 (probably "P" mintmarked coin) and the Reverse was cut from a "CC" Morgan Silver Dollar (probably a lesser valued one that may have had a damaged Obverse), then welded together with Lead Solder. If the latter is the case, then this would account for the .47 of a gram overage on the weight and the somewhat different and probably slightly deadened tone of a real Morgan Silver Dollar.


Frank

 

[unclemac]

the coin is most likely a good 1885 Morgan and like huntsman said, altered. I would guess that just the "cc" was added..THAT is where you want to focus your microscope.

 

[jerseyben]

Fake.

Look at the S in STATES and the entire date as the dead giveaways.

http://www.vamworld.com/1885-CC+VAM-2

 

[cudamark]

I agree with Frank. It looks like a 2 in 1 coin to me.