Lake Erie

[bobog]

has anyone ever heard of the barge 777 located in lake erie? This barge is near Port Colborne Ont. upside down . I know the year but am not at liberty to say. this wreck was never made public,,,,for a reason,,,,, and never listed in any wreck reports.

[budrow]

Check out boatnerd.com lots of info on the great lakes. Good luck , Budrow....

[Curtis]

Live in Ohio, never seen mention of the barge, what gives?

[divermark]

missing ferrari?

:-)

[GlassyEyed]

http://eriewrecks.com/

Search there...good luck.

[bobog]

this barge 777 sank near Port Colborne ,I know the year but will not say. It is not listed in any wreck reports. This is for a reason. I know what was on it and know it is upside down. If anyone knows anything let me know.

[Jason in Enid]

Sorry, but all this "cloak and dagger" is BS. If you are looking for something, you have to provide more info. Throwing out bread crumbs seems like you are just playing games. I've never heard of a shipwreck that didn't leave a paper trail. There would have been insurance companies involved, for the vessel or the cargo. There would have been schedules of where it was coming from and going to. There would have been inquires when a ship doesn't arrive. Newspaper reports and survivor stories.

If you know what ship it is, and where it sank, and what it carried, what exactly are you asking?

[GlassyEyed]

I too am confused on what it is you are asking. So far you have pointed out that you know pretty much everything about this wreck...just seems to me that all you want to know is if anyone else knows about it.

[bobog]

This barge sank during the Korean war.It was u.s. government property. It was originally found byan RCMP officer who had access to Canadian government files. This police officer has since deceased. In the early 60s I saw some of the arrmament from this wreck that he showed me. It was never publized , for obvious reasons, and left on the bottom. This police officer would never say exactly where it was. All he told me was that it was upside down with a hole in the bottom,and he would never go back. It was loaded with arms and war supplies bound for the east coast. All I want to know if there are any vets that were involved or any crew of the tug that are able to help me out.

[stevemc]

The problem with the military is, everything they do is classified, covert, and they dont want anyone to know about it. There is so much stuff that they do, and no one knows about it. It is weird they wouldnt look for it all, but that happens. If someone did find it, is in shallow enough water to dive on it, so it could be found. Side scan would work well, if a starting point was known, or a route it could have been on, or the area that the police officer lived near.

[GlassyEyed]

The problem with the military is, everything they do is classified, covert, and they dont want anyone to know about it. There is so much stuff that they do, and no one knows about it. It is weird they wouldnt look for it all, but that happens. If someone did find it, is in shallow enough water to dive on it, so it could be found. Side scan would work well, if a starting point was known, or a route it could have been on, or the area that the police officer lived near.

Or just check the latest Wikileaks files. Who know...maybe there is something about it in there if it was classified.

[mohicanjoe]

Dear Bob,

I am willing to help you recover the the barge, the box, and all materials.

I am a salvage expert. I also helped write the current Ohio Law for Lake Erie Salvage and artifacts beneath the Great Lake Surface.

My telephone number is 941.488.2257.

I am willing and able to finance the entire salvage operation. Have equipment and divers. No games. In and Out. If you are serious, I am your guy. If not, good luck. Recovering USA in Lake Erie will only see your way to a Federal vacation. You will first need to apply for a permit, then notify the Coast Guard(s) US and Canadian of your in-tensions. If you are at the site, you may be immediately arrested immediately for attempting to pirate USA property. Your equipment impounded.

We are 100 percent straight up.

If you are in it for the guns and fun, I have a weapons dealer North and East of Toronto who will be of assistance. Or, and arms dealer and manufacture in South West Florida. Both are OK with the USA and have all permits applications for your world wide needs.

Please remember, that if you recover any automatic equipment, you will need a permit to possess it once you put your hands on it underwater.

Good Luck.

PS. I have a wreck site like this one on a certain US Coast and the first dive down they came via helicopter then fast boat. We do this for a living. References available.

Any other forum folks interested in recovery, please feel free to call or email. We are willing to help all those who are looking for aide.

Tim

[LM]

Obviously, live by your own conscience. I'm of the opinion that anything left on the bottom of an ocean or lake is fair game for whomever wants to bring it up... With that said:

If you're dealing with US military weapons, couldn't there be significant ownership problems? As has been said before: determining value begins with a clean title. Without this, there is nothing.

[Jason in Enid]

Apparently you've never dealt with any collectors.

[ivan salis]

LETS SEE YOU WANT TO RECOVER AND SELL US GOVT OWNED - FULL AUTO WEAPONS TO ---COLLECTERS OF "UNCLEAN" (BLACK MARKET) MILITARY WEAPONS ? --SOUNDS LIKE A LONG LONG JAIL TIME PROJECT -- GEE I WOULD NOT BE PUTTING THOSE FACTS ON THE NET IF I WAS YOU--(THANKFULLY I'M NOT) THE GOVT DOES MONITER THE INTERNET YOU KNOW -- LOL SAD VERY SAD.

[TheRandyMan]

Might I recommend something called "hushmail.com" for your future communications?

[Jason in Enid]

LETS SEE YOU WANT TO RECOVER AND SELL US GOVT OWNED - FULL AUTO WEAPONS TO ---COLLECTERS OF "UNCLEAN" (BLACK MARKET) MILITARY WEAPONS ? --SOUNDS LIKE A LONG LONG JAIL TIME PROJECT -- GEE I WOULD NOT BE PUTTING THOSE FACTS ON THE NET IF I WAS YOU--(THANKFULLY I'M NOT) THE GOVT DOES MONITER THE INTERNET YOU KNOW -- LOL SAD VERY SAD.

The OP never said automatic weapons. He never said exactly what was supposed to be on it. Nothing on the wreck would even be usable, it would all be display or wall hanger only.

[ivan salis]

even if they are non automatics and fit only as "wall hangers" --- the weapons are still US govt property and "uncle sugar" takes a dim veiw of folks taking "his" stuff without his ok . -- sounds like a great way to get in a lot of trouble to me.

but hey its your life to do as you please with .

[Salvor6]

Hey Ivan didn't ATF agents recently sell a $hit load of automatic weapons to the Mexican drug lords?

[ivan salis]

as part of a sting op? or were they corrupt agents?