Does everyone understand what "Direct Perception" means?

[signal_line]

Has anyone even heard of it? I talked about it a bit how Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and were able to see good from evil. This is called comparative knowledge. I suspect most people think this is what you want, but comparative knowledge is not the pure truth. We allow our biases to filter out what we decide. Can you say "control freak"? And it happens in the blink of the eye. In Indian philosophy they say "Beware of Maya". This is the deception we push on ourselves--the way we tailor the info to our liking. The Holy Bible calls it Satan, the great deceiver.

More later.

 

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[Red_desert]

Has anyone even heard of it? I talked about it a bit how Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and were able to see good from evil. This is called comparative knowledge. I suspect most people think this is what you want, but comparative knowledge is not the pure truth. We allow our biases to filter out what we decide. Can you say "control freak"? And it happens in the blink of the eye. In Indian philosophy they say "Beware of Maya". This is the deception we push on ourselves--the way we tailor the info to our liking. The Holy Bible calls it Satan, the great deceiver.

More later.

You said more later, what happened to the rest of it?

 

[Red_desert]

Indian legends the spider was the great deceptive malicious character, but in dreamcatcher stories he taught the people how to spin the web, that catches bad dreams at night. Then there was the spider woman, not the same legend or story.

In the NA version for the Garden of Eden, Iktomi was the the tempter, only using red plums instead of apples.

 

[Red_desert]

Native American Fables

[SIZE=+2]Iktomi (The Spider), Two Widows, and the Red Plum[/SIZE]​

There once lived, in a remote part of a great forest, two widowed sisters, with their little babies. One day there came to their tent a visitor who was called Iktomi (spider). He had found some nice red plums during his wanderings in the forest, and he said to himself, "I will keep these plums and fool the two widows with them." After the widows had bidden him be seated, he presented them with the plums.
On seeing them they exclaimed "hi nu, hi nu (an exclamation of surprise), where did you get those fine plums?"
Iktomi arose and pointing to a crimson tipped cloud, said: "You see that red cloud? Directly underneath it is a patch of plums. So large is the patch and so red and beautiful are the plums that it is the reflection of them on the cloud that you see."
"Oh, how we wish some one would take care of our babies, while we go over there and pick some," said the sisters.
"Why, I am not in any particular hurry, so if you want to go I will take care of my little nephews until you return." (Iktomi always claimed relationship with everyone he met).
"Well brother," said the older widow, "take good care of them and we will be back as soon as possible."
The two then took a sack in which to gather the plums, and started off towards the cloud with the crimson lining. Scarcely had they gone from Iktomi’s sight when he took the babies out of their swinging hammocks and cut off first one head and then the other. He then took some old blankets and rolled them in the shape of a baby body and laid one in each hammock. Then he took the heads and put them in place in their different hammocks. The bodies he cut up and threw into a large kettle. This he placed over a rousing fire.
Then he mixed Indian turnips and arikara squash with the baby meat and soon had a kettle of soup. Just about the time the soup was ready to serve the widows returned. They were tired and hungry and not a plum had they. Iktomi, hearing the approach of the two, hurriedly dished out the baby soup in two wooden dishes and then seated himself near the door so that he could get out easily.
Upon the entrance of the widows, Iktomi exclaimed: "Sisters, I had brought some meat with me and I cooked some turnips and squash with it and made a pot of fine soup. The babies have just fallen asleep, so don't waken them until you have finished eating, for I know that you are nearly starved."
The two fell to at once and after they had somewhat appeased their appetites, one of them arose and went over to see how her baby was resting. Noting an unnatural color on her baby's face, she raised him up only to have his head roll off from the bundle of blankets. "'My son! my son!" she cried out. At once the other hastened to her baby and grabbed it up, only to have the same thing happen.
At once they surmised who had done this, and caught up sticks from the fire with which to beat Iktomi to death. He, expecting something like this to happen, lost very little time in getting outside and down into a hole at the roots of a large tree. The two widows not being able to follow Iktomi down into the hole, had to give up trying to get him out, and passed the rest of the day and night crying for their beloved babies.
In the meantime Iktomi had gotten out by another opening, and fixing himself up in an entirely different style, and painting his face in a manner that they would not recognize him, he cautiously approached the weeping women and inquired the cause of their tears.
Thus they answered him: "Iktomi came here and fooled us about some plums, and while we were absent killed our babies and made soup out of their bodies. Then he gave us the soup to eat, which we did, and when we found out what he had done we tried to kill him, but he crawled down into that hole and we could not get him out."
"I will get him out," said the mock stranger, and with that he crawled down into the hole and scratched his own face all over to make the widows believe he had been fighting with Iktomi. "I have killed him, and that you may see him I have enlarged the hole so you can crawl in and see for yourselves, also to take some revenge on his dead body."
The two foolish widows, believing him, crawled into the hole, only to be blocked up by Iktomi, who at once gathered great piles of wood and stuffing it into the hole, set it on fire, and thus ended the last of the family who were foolish enough to let Iktomi tempt them with a few red plums

 

[aarthrj3811]

"Direct Perception"
What is DIRECT PERCEPTION? definition of DIRECT PERCEPTION (Psychology Dictionary)
DIRECT PERCEPTION: "Direct perception implies that we can perceive an object without the use of memory and other processes."

Direct Perception - Glossary - A.H. Almaas
Perception When the Inner Capacities of Essence are Functioning
By direct perception we mean what is actually perceived when the inner capacities of Essence are functioning. These capacities are not generally experienced on the ego level, but sometimes a hint of them can be recognized from the perspective of the ego. For instance, the capacity of empathy is commonly recognized, and acknowledged by some psychologists as a valid mode of perception. However from the vantage point of Being, empathy is seen as the first vague glimmer of a capacity of Being. When this capacity is developed, one does not vaguely sense the emotional state of the other person, but one is clearly conscious of the exact inner state of the other. One knows what the other feels, where in the body the feelings are, what tension patterns accompany the state, how the other is interpreting this state, and even what is underneath the state in the unconscious.

 

[Red_desert]

Moral of the Indian story....if you go searching after the fruit (red plums) that is supposed to be there, be careful you don't end up in a death trap tunnel or hole covered over with wood.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Moral of the Indian story....if you go searching after the fruit (red plums) that is supposed to be there, be careful you don't end up in a death trap tunnel or hole covered over with wood.

When I go anywhere close to Virginia City I have to be wide awake because there is hundreds of those holes up here..Art

 

[Red_desert]

They say people in the western mountains really need to watch out, but covered over with decaying wood is hard to see.

 

[signal_line]

The thing about your consciousness is anytime you get an uncomfortable thought, etc. you attach conditions and limitations to it. You judge the world by your own lack of knowledge. Being wise in your own conceit is the biggest block to knowing. People cannot see this and their consciousness is not pure enough to see that they don't know what they do not not know.

Put in REDNECK terminology, the know-it-all attitude with the chip on your shoulder distorts your mind and blinds you from the truth. And it's self-imposed.

So the finger has been pointed. LOL

 

[signal_line]

Bursting the ego bubble is a daunting task most people never achieve. It is said the ego only allows you to see what it wants you to see. Again, this is one of the essentials--lose the ego as it is written. That's why i say I see little i can relate to from the phony "internet experts" on this forum.

 

[signal_line]

Anybody here think "Kill the messenger" attitude is conducive to learning dowsing/locating? That's why i say there is a big problem here. this is the opposite of what it essential to learning.

 

[signal_line]

Yeah, I have the shock-jock style. That's my way of saying "listen up" or "You aren't listening". Sometimes the hen house needs to be stirred up a bit.

 

[bookcliff]

Thanks for sharing that Indian Legend Red.

 

[bookcliff]

Sorry. I should say Native American.

 

[signal_line]

So the moral of the story is do not trust people who work for govt agency.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Where your heart is, there you will find your treasure.

For me it is when after following the signal line and the rods cross it is under my heel..Art

 

[Red_desert]

Thanks for sharing that Indian Legend Red.

Thanks Bookcliff!

 

[Red_desert]

signal_line, if you are going to play Bible cards, I'll beat you every time....promise you!

"this is one of the essentials--lose the ego as it is written."

• Spiritual Warfare Scripture - Satan, It is Written...
  
  www.practicalspiritualwarfare.com/spiritual-warfare...Cached
  
  Spiritual Warfare Scripture starting with "It Is Written..." was Christ's response to Satan's temptation in the wilderness.

 

[signal_line]

This isn't about scripture. Yeah, bursting the ego bubble is not in much in danger of happening around here. People self-hypnotize into imagining they know. The Great Deceiver in action.

 

[aarthrj3811]

This isn't about scripture. Yeah, bursting the ego bubble is not in much in danger of happening around here.

Since you read all them books you should know that ego is fear
P

eople self-hypnotize into imagining they know.

Weird thoughts

Satan is at home in church and the forum and in every atheist's heart.
The Great Deceiver in action.

So you are saying that the devil is making you post all this garbage?