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[gallileo60]

Ok question from you dowsing guys...With all the metal in , and around us, how do you know whats what I mean I have rail road tracks behind my store, water pipes in the ground, huge metal tanks holding propane, 1000 gallon kerosene tank on the side of my building, and my roof is even metal, not to mention cars in my parking lot...How am I going to find change on the property with all this other metal?? And what about the cars, and big trucks going by? Answers please, thanks, Tom

[dowser]

Dowsing is 100% discrimination, meaning that if your dowsing for gold, and using a gold signaling object, the line you chase will be gold, and no matter whats around you or in your way, be it a Dozer, a septic field, or power lines, your signal will go right through.

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Tom....Dowsers use many ways to discriminate targets...Mental dowsers just think about what they are seeking. Others "bait the rods" or put what they are seeking in Wittness Chambers. You can also hold a like object in your hand with the rod. I know one famous dowser who put the like object in his mouth.....Art

[ClonedSIM]

Dowsing is 100% discrimination, meaning that if your dowsing for gold, and using a gold signaling object, the line you chase will be gold, and no matter whats around you or in your way, be it a Dozer, a septic field, or power lines, your signal will go right through.

Hey Dowser, this is the exact thing I was talking about when I asked you about finding carbon. How is it you can say something like this, then contradict yourself so completely?

[dowser]

I'm not sure what you mean. Carbon the Element is Diamond, and Graphite.

[Tom_in_CA]

"I know one famous dowser who put the like object in his mouth"

Now I'm sure THAT has a perfectly logical scientific explanation!

[ClonedSIM]

I'm not sure what you mean. Carbon the Element is Diamond, and Graphite.

100% discrimination is just that. If you are searching for diamonds, shouldn't you be able to find only diamonds? Before you answer that both Carbon and Diamond occupy the same space on a periodic table, you should understand that very few diamonds are solid carbon. Only the highest clarity D-grade diamonds even come close to being purely carbon. A full 80% of diamonds discovered are useless to the jewelry market because of impurities, primarily nitrogen. When these impurities are present in a diamond, they replace a carbon molecule, changing the composition of the diamond entirely. So, if you're searching for diamonds, shouldn't you find only diamonds? After all, 100% discrimination doesn't leave any wiggle room.

[dowser]

Good point! But 100% discrimination means just that. If I'm chasing a Carbon signal, i'm led to only the Carbon molecules, sometimes there might be other Elements present in objects, but they aren't signaling. I use either a Diamond I have in a small glass container to signal with, or Carbon when signaling for Diamonds.

[ClonedSIM]

Good point! But 100% discrimination means just that. If I'm chasing a Carbon signal, i'm led to only the Carbon molecules, sometimes there might be other Elements present in objects, but they aren't signaling. I use either a Diamond I have in a small glass container to signal with, or Carbon when signaling for Diamonds.

I actually just thought of something, dowser. Carbon is present in every living organism. You, me, the tree, that leaf. It's the fourth most common element in the universe.

[ClonedSIM]

Good point! But 100% discrimination means just that. If I'm chasing a Carbon signal, i'm led to only the Carbon molecules, sometimes there might be other Elements present in objects, but they aren't signaling. I use either a Diamond I have in a small glass container to signal with, or Carbon when signaling for Diamonds.

I actually just thought of something, dowser. Carbon is present in every living organism. You, me, the tree, that leaf. It's the fourth most common element in the universe.

Yeah.... I pointed that out earlier. If they actually use Carbon to narrow down their search, I hope they start looking in my garden next spring, because I could use the free plowing.

[dowser]

If you guys would read what I posted in the past you wouldn't be asking these questions. Maybee you skeptics should be comparing notes.

[ClonedSIM]

If you guys would read what I posted in the past you wouldn't be asking these questions. Maybee you skeptics should be comparing notes.

Maybe you could repeat it for us here?

[dowser]

Yes af, Carbon is present in every living thing. But Carbon is in higher concentration in Diamonds, rather than plants and animals. I Dowse above that signal strength. It might be to much for you to understand.

[ClonedSIM]

Yes af, Carbon is present in every living thing. But Carbon is in higher concentration in Diamonds, rather than plants and animals. I Dowse above that signal strength. It might be to much for you to understand.

Too much for me to understand?

So tell me, what are these signal strengths you speak of? Is this a measurable thing? Is it based on a base-10 counting system, or something else?

And, yes, carbon would presumably be of higher concentration in diamonds, but it would be concentrated in very small amounts, looking at the size of a diamond versus the size of, say, an oak tree. How do you adjust for this?

Diamonds also are formed with other elements besides carbon. What changes are needed to compensate for this?

Also, how to you explain the substance you dug up the other day that you were telling us about, was it graphite or mica? Were you just off your game that day?

I mean, we are talking about coathangers here, right?

[dowser]

I don't know how to post your quotes, so I'll just answer the best I can. Yes, their is a difference in signal strength, the larger objects signal stronger than smaller objects. And as for Diamonds, I don't go around checking for Diamonds because of their size and availiability of where I live. The only reason I checked that time and found Graphite is because I was curious to see if I would get a Carbon signal, and I did. Carbon in concentration signals better than not in concentration, like a tree. The only Carbon I would search for would be a Diamond, and that would only be done if i'm in a place a Diamond might be. And I would have to use sensitive rods. The reason I said you might not understand, is because their is only a few people on this Forum that do understand signals and signal strength. I've got to go for now, Dowser

[Tom_in_CA]

Dowser, it's not that we "don't understand". On the contrary, we understand how these things can't be. Like, if I said to you: "you'll never understand how I can turn myself into a TV set", you'd say "that's nonsense, you're not a TV set". I'd say "sure I am! Just turn my nose to change channels, twist my ears to adjust the volume, and sit back at watch my tummy to catch the football game" You can see that is absurd, and you could tear it apart scientifically, showing me that I am not a TV. It's the same for us: We are sitting here scratching our heads trying to figure out how to tell you guys that a coat hanger and your auras don't find diamonds or coins in a field! So imagine you trying to tell me I'm not a TV, and then you can understand our frustation of trying to tell you you're not a diamond magnet.

If you have had success in finding diamonds, metals, etc... Then I can understand why you accuse US of not understanding. In that case, you're going by a results-oriented justification. For that, I would classify it under paranormal, supernatural, or whatever you want to call it. I'll grant you that, a LOT of spooky stuff goes on in the world, and it does "work" (whether the user attributes it to supernatural or not). But the minute a dowser tries to explain it as a natural ability (like heightened smell) or science (whether explained or not explained), is where I differ.

[ClonedSIM]

The problems seem to arise when dowsers want to remove it from the occult or supernatural by trying to associate it with rational science, or the terms rational science is described by; when that happens on a public forum.... then, we will engage in a discussion.

Why? Just because it is contrary to your own beliefs, you would start an argument?

Science can only support fact. What has already been done is indeed classified as Fact, whether it conforms to the limitations of your mindset, or not. Dell

Dowsing is not contrary to our own beliefs or the limitations of our mindset, as you so immaturely put it. You dowsers think that because you walk around waving coathangers you must reside on some mystical plane elevated above regular folks, don't you?

Dowsing is contrary to elementary scientific rules and principals, and something so grievously wrong can't be left in public view for long before someone calls you out on it.

I went fishing one time and, as I cast out, I struck a bird in mid-flight with the sinker. This is a fact. But, does it mean that everytime I go fishing I am going to hit a bird each time I cast? Of course not, and to think so is ludicrous. Ergo, what has been done might be done again, but only with an amazing amount of luck and timing. Or, I could cast towards every group of birds I see to try and force the same thing to happen again.

Dell went around waving a pair of coathangers one time and found a penny on the ground. Does this mean he's going to find a penny each time he's carrying coathangers? No. But, like the old saying goes, if an infinite number of monkeys banged on an infinite number of typewriters....

[dowser]

For one thing I'm out looking, more than you would know. And I must be unique, because of what I can do!! But if you read my last post, it was a very polite and nice answer to AF's question. So whose stopping the flow of questions and answers by continually posting the same old, not possible!

[aarthrj3811]

For one thing I'm out looking, more than you would know. And I must be unique, because of what I can do!! But if you read my last post, it was a very polite and nice answer to AF's question. So whose stopping the flow of questions and answers by continually posting the same old, not possible!

I went out for 3 hours today…I only dowsed for about 30 minutes. I did manage to determine that there was no gold or silver in that square mile. So whose stopping the flow of questions and answers by continually posting the same old, not possible! That is the best question that I have saw in a while…Art

[Urban Prospector]

I tried dowsing today and found nothing in my front yard except what I imagine to be the mesh reinforcing my concrete drive way,the waterline the power line and possibly the eyelets on my boots.Could be it was my belt buckle.Held em farther out from my chest and that quit.Granted to skeptics I knew were those items were prior to picking up rods.
Haven't any idea what I was doing but I went in the shop found heavy gauge copper wire stripped the insulation bent them at a 90 degree angle with 5" in the hand and 10" pointing.triangulating works "scientifically" for finding square (3 4 5 method of squaring framing) and dropping ordnance so I went with that.
I was surprised to see the rods react with ease and often.I didn't think any thing specific just followed were they pointed this time. I do sense when I am moving them and when they are moving on their own.I also "feel" this could be done without rods and that they only focus the minds attention. Regardless ?? is right.