Different types of dowsing

[Tom_in_CA]

I posted this within a thread, but it didn't get answered. So I'd like to make a dedicated post to it here:

As any mental dowser would admit, there are variations on the spec's of the rods, right? That is to say: one mental dowsers rods might be XX length long, and the next guy's rods may be a tad longer. Or one mental dowser's rods might have a different mixture of alloys with his brass. The next guy might not use brass anyways, but instead use a coat hanger material (iron). Etc... etc... etc... What I'm trying to say is, there's NO one exact formula for the rod dimensions & material makeup. Nothing wrong with that. So too do no two metal detector hobbyist's swing in the exact same way, use the same make or model, etc... I can understand that.

Here's where I'm going with this. Premise: 1) Since it doesn't hurt mental dowsing to have a variation of rods 2) since the outcome is determined by OTHER factors (user skill, outside blocking, etc...) than the rods, then 3) how does it hurt mental dowsing if they used an even more unconventional rod than you're used to?

At what point does the type rod actually inhibit the results? Since there is no exact standard of the pysical properties and dimensions, I would assume that it wouldn't hurt the mental dowsing rod to add a battery and some wires. Mind you, I'm NOT talking about LRLs. I'm talking about mental dowsing. What I'm suggesting is that perhaps they are simply doing mental dowsing too, albeit perhaps a bit duped on the added appendages. So in that sense, even though they CALL it something else (a different type of dowsing), they are in fact really only doing the one type of dowsing that there is. This would seem to be a happy compromise on the fight of whether or not there are different types of dowsing. That is, that yes there are in people's vocabularies, but no there's not, as to actual outcome.

Please let me know if the added appendiges will, by their very nature, harm mental dowsing. If so, what is the type rods, and the allowed variations, that would be within the bounds on not affecting/hurting mental dowsing.

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Tom….I am not a mental Dowser…Read this post about why I use a certain length of rods. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...c,19537.0.html Reply # 7….I use 3/16 brass rods. The reason I use them is that I feel that they fit my hands and are just more comfortable for me to use.

As far as adding a Battery and Wires to use a rod to Mental Dowse the only answer I have is “WHY “…..Art

[ClonedSIM]

Hey Tom….I am not a mental Dowser…Read this post about why I use a certain length of rods. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...c,19537.0.html Reply # 7….I use 3/16 brass rods. The reason I use them is that I feel that they fit my hands and are just more comfortable for me to use.

As far as adding a Battery and Wires to use a rod to Mental Dowse the only answer I have is “WHY “…..Art

"WHY" not, Art? Do you know it won't improve your dowsing? What if it helps? Given all the crazy stuff dowsers do to find things with their coathangers, this should be one of the more normal attempts.

When you wander in a logic vacuum, anything can work.

[Tom_in_CA]

Art, thanx for the honest answer. I too agree with you "why add a battery and wires?" I don't have an answer for you, other than .... people think it helps, and thus .... they do it. This is not to question that, as neither of us know (and we don't want to talk about LRL/MFDs anyhow). My only question is, why couldn't that unconventional rod accomplish the same thing, which is mental dowsing?

Like, let's say a mental dowswer like Del was out in the boondocks one day, and realized he'd forgetten his rods at home. Durnit! but no problem, he just happened to have a rod with batteries and wires on it in his truck, and he figures he might as well use that one. Afterall, his other rods at home were various sizes and materials, so having this extra appendage certainly doesn't hurt. So he uses it for mental dowsing, and get his results. It was just another type of rod, with un-needed parts.

Hence my suggestion that maybe some folks are duped into classifying various types of dowsing, when in reality, there is just the one. The guy with the batteries is getting no help from those appendages, but neither is he hurting his outcome either. He's really only doing mental dowsing (even though he doesn't call it that).

Is this a possibility?

[aarthrj3811]

I have heard from some people who’s rods open out ward. My sons rods both point to the target. That is why you practice until you know what they are telling you.

how does it hurt mental dowsing if they used an even more unconventional rod than you're used to?

I don’t know what you mean by unconventional rod.

I would assume that it wouldn't hurt the mental dowsing rod to add a battery and some wires.

My experiments show that it would do no good. May be some mental dowsers may have also tried this.

The guy with the batteries is getting no help from those appendages, but neither is he hurting his outcome either. He's really only doing mental dowsing (even though he doesn't call it that).

My opinion is that if you add any electronics to Mental Dowsing you are wasting your time and money....Art

[ClonedSIM]

I have heard from some people who’s rods open out ward. My sons rods both point to the target. That is why you practice until you know what they are telling you.

Well, that makes sense. I mean, if dowsers were to agree about something, or dowsing were to work the same way twice, then surely the Earth would stop spinning and we'd all be flung into space.

I would assume that it wouldn't hurt the mental dowsing rod to add a battery and some wires.

My experiments show that it would do no good. May be some mental dowsers may have also tried this.

So you have tried this before? Then why do you question Tom like his suggestion is crazy? You obviously thought of trying it long ago. Wouldn't that make you crazy as well?

[aarthrj3811]

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 09:19:07 AM
I have heard from some people who’s rods open out ward. My sons rods both point to the target. That is why you practice until you know what they are telling you.
Well, that makes sense. I mean, if dowsers were to agree about something, or dowsing were to work the same way twice, then surely the Earth would stop spinning and we'd all be flung into space.

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 09:19:07 AM
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I would assume that it wouldn't hurt the mental dowsing rod to add a battery and some wires.

My experiments show that it would do no good. May be some mental dowsers may have also tried this.
So you have tried this before? Then why do you question Tom like his suggestion is crazy? You obviously thought of trying it long ago. Wouldn't that make you crazy as well?

More great perfect answers….We are learning so much from you…Art

[ClonedSIM]

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 09:19:07 AM
I have heard from some people who’s rods open out ward. My sons rods both point to the target. That is why you practice until you know what they are telling you.
Well, that makes sense. I mean, if dowsers were to agree about something, or dowsing were to work the same way twice, then surely the Earth would stop spinning and we'd all be flung into space.

Quote from: aarthrj3811 on Today at 09:19:07 AM
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I would assume that it wouldn't hurt the mental dowsing rod to add a battery and some wires.

My experiments show that it would do no good. May be some mental dowsers may have also tried this.
So you have tried this before? Then why do you question Tom like his suggestion is crazy? You obviously thought of trying it long ago. Wouldn't that make you crazy as well?

More great perfect answers….We are learning so much from you…Art

Oh, no. Please, Art, enlighten us!

What happens when you hook batteries and wires up to dowsing rods?

[aarthrj3811]

What happens when you hook batteries and wires up to dowsing rods?

Ask and Answered...Art

[ClonedSIM]

What happens when you hook batteries and wires up to dowsing rods?

Ask and Answered...Art

So, it does no good?

And adding any kind of electronics to dowsing is a waste of money? Does Dell agree with you on this one?

[aarthrj3811]

And adding any kind of electronics to dowsing is a waste of money? Does Dell agree with you on this one?

My opinion is that if you add any electronics to Mental Dowsing you are wasting your time and money....Art

Note…You forgot that I mentioned Mental Dowsing which are the key words in the statement….I don’t know if Dell agrees or not..That is my opinion…Art

[Tom_in_CA]

Af, puulleease go easy man! No need for the comment: "I mean, if dowsers were to agree about something, ........ then surely the Earth would stop spinning and we'd all be flung into space" The only thing low blows like that do, is put the other person on the defensive, and they don't consider each other's points. I think Art and I were having a good dialogue, and this type tone will not help. I agree that it confuses me too on the variations of dowsing's theories, methods, etc.... But go easy on the tone, and maybe we'll all get some understanding from each other.

Ok, Art, you say: "I don’t know what you mean by unconventional rod" That would be, an rod you're not accustomed to seeing or using. Like if someone painted their rod green, or added an appendage, etc...

Next you answer: "My experiments show that it would do no good" Right, I agree. But my question is, would it hurt the results? Or merely make no difference? If it does no harm, brings no increased or decreased results, is where I'm working towards.

And "My opinion is that if you add any electronics to Mental Dowsing you are wasting your time and money...." Agreed. So they've wasted their money. So what. Does it hurt the mental dowsing though? Could they use those rods for mental dowsing anyhow, with you and I knowing they're not increasing the results of mental dowsing?

Thanx for being patient Art, and I apologize for any bad vibes from anyone else :P

[aarthrj3811]

Ok, Art, you say: "I don’t know what you mean by unconventional rod" That would be, an rod you're not accustomed to seeing or using. Like if someone painted their rod green, or added an appendage, etc...

An appendage in the broadest sense is an additional or subsidiary part existing on, or added to, something which can generally still function if the appendage has never existed or is later provided or grown, or will still perform a primary function if the appendage is removed.

OK ..That is a little clearer..

Next you answer: "My experiments show that it would do no good" Right, I agree. But my question is, would it hurt the results? Or merely make no difference? If it does no harm, brings no increased or decreased results, is where I'm working towards.

When I did my experiments it made no difference. Just more junk to carry.

And "My opinion is that if you add any electronics to Mental Dowsing you are wasting your time and money...." Agreed. So they've wasted their money. So what. Does it hurt the mental dowsing though? Could they use those rods for mental dowsing anyhow, with you and I knowing they're not increasing the results of mental dowsing?

I am not a mental dowser. But…I still stand by my opinion…This opinion is limited to the addition of a battery and wires to the rods…no electronics…Art

[Tom_in_CA]

"When I did my experiments it made no difference" Ok then, if mental dowswers also agree, maybe this puts an answer on the debate of whether there are different forms of dowsing. Maybe the compromise is that, in the eyes of the different practioners, they call it different things, and think they are different than the other types, but in fact, they're all practicing the same thing! Just a thought

[aarthrj3811]

"When I did my experiments it made no difference" Ok then, if mental dowswers also agree, maybe this puts an answer on the debate of whether there are different forms of dowsing. Maybe the compromise is that, in the eyes of the different practioners, they call it different things, and think they are different than the other types, but in fact, they're all practicing the same thing! Hey Tom...What you are saying is just what people keep trying to shove down our thoats. No...It works different for each of us. The important thing to us is...It works for us no matter what anybody thinks....Art

[ClonedSIM]

"When I did my experiments it made no difference" Ok then, if mental dowswers also agree, maybe this puts an answer on the debate of whether there are different forms of dowsing. Maybe the compromise is that, in the eyes of the different practioners, they call it different things, and think they are different than the other types, but in fact, they're all practicing the same thing! Hey Tom...What you are saying is just what people keep trying to shove down our thoats. No...It works different for each of us. The important thing to us is...It works for us no matter what anybody thinks....Art

Unless they're thinking negative thoughts, right Art? Then it won't work at all....

So it does matter what people think.

[aarthrj3811]

Unless they're thinking negative thoughts, right Art? Then it won't work at all....

So it does matter what people think.

Tells us how the human brain functions AF…I am sure you are qualified to explain this in layman terms…Art

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

JUDY of the B&B, Tom, and my other friends, yep inclkding you af mi buddy:

I will state again, as a result of my experiments, I have found that dowsing is dowsing. It is the same no matter how it is used. The only differentation is how it's reaction's are visually used and hence receives a popular name such as mental, phyical, or electonically (.LRL)

It is nothing more than what nature / evoloution has endowed man with. I believe that you will aggree that the brain has not reached a dead end in developemnt, it's future developments are fantastic.

Even TOM will agree with me that future science will prove that statement valid. heheheh.

Don Jose de La Mancha

[ClonedSIM]

Unless they're thinking negative thoughts, right Art? Then it won't work at all....

So it does matter what people think.

Tells us how the human brain functions AF…I am sure you are qualified to explain this in layman terms…Art

Well, Art, in reading these discussions, it's apparent that not only is the brain divided left/right, but it's also divided dowser/non-dowser.

If a negative thought can somehow leave a person's brain, travel through the air, and reach another person with enough force to cause them not to be able to dowse, then anything at all is possible, even invisible dogs and marshmallow dowsing.

Did you get the thought I just sent you, Art? If not, then maybe your brain's not strong enough. Try reading a few (non-dowsing related) books.

[aarthrj3811]

Did you get the thought I just sent you, Art?

No I didn’t…Please try again….Art