Like Metals Attract to Each Other! Florida Cache Site

[FLauthor]

There is a large cache of gold coins buried on State Park land in Lake County, Florida. ?Before the land was turned over to the state, I had read that gold attract to gold. ?I took a long piece of thread and attached a 18kt gold ring to it and walked along a fence line in the vicinity of the cache. ?It was a windless day and at a certain point the ring started to swing a little at first then stronger before slowing to a stop as I passed the position. ?I turned around and walked back with the same results and marked the spot. ?Looking around and seeing no one, I climbed over a gate and walked down a dirt road and received the same reaction. ?I checked it twice and marked the position. ?Looking on a topography map, I triangulated the site to be in a Bayhead that once was a sinkhole.
One old timer who dug for the treasure in 1919 uncovered a anvil at 6 feet with a jar underneath with the message: Lucky You Are. ?Not knowing what the message meant, he took the anvil home and found it was stamped 1860. ?About 1955, he related the story to a man who was a prospector and the miner asked which way was the anvil pointed? ?The old man couldn't remember. ?The anvil was pointing to the treasure. ?It lies out there still protected by the Florida State Parks and I don't have to tell you how much red tape you'd have to cut through to look for it. ?The men who buried the gold were members of the Ball Mason Jar family and were known as the Ball Brothers. ?One was arrested in Tavares and he had a wad of 100's that'd choked a horse and he told the jailer it was pocket money and that there was lots more where that came from. ?After both brothers died about 1918, the treasure hunt was on and the area looked like a Civil War battle field pock marked with holes. ?Only the anvil was found and the legend was created. ?The gold ring was attracted to something and it had to be large enough to cause it to react. ?Remember, there was no wind and the thread was about 4 feet long so there was no chance for hand vibrations to cause the ring to swing. ?
I've seen the anvil and the 1860 is clearly visible. ?I believe the treasure is real and someone will find it. ?Anybody wants to tackle the State of Florida, I can provide the co-ordinates for a small percentage.

Harry

[JBlack]

There is a large cache of gold coins buried on State Park land in Lake County, Florida. ?Before the land was turned over to the state, I had read that gold attract to gold. ?I took a long piece of thread and attached a 18kt gold ring to it and walked along a fence line in the vicinity of the cache. ?It was a windless day and at a certain point the ring started to swing a little at first then stronger before slowing to a stop as I passed the position. ?I turned around and walked back with the same results and marked the spot.....Harry

You've just explained a perfect demonstration of the classic ideomotor response, which is responsible for all dowsing reactions.

I could iterate more details about what you've just demonstrated, but to save time and space, I suggest you read for yourself --at the following site; http://www.randi.org/library/dowsing/

BTW, if you will merely suspend your gold ring from some structure other than your hand, let it hang perfectly still, then bring another gold ring in close proximity to the suspended gold ring, you will find that indeed like metals DO NOT ATTRACT TO EACH OTHER.

[JBlack]

... It's a known fact that gold (and other metals) does emit an electrical charge into the surrounding ground/air.

Mike, would you be so kind as to give us the scientific text reference, which states this "known fact"? Just include the title of the text, the author and the page number where your "known fact" is stated.

If you bury two pieces of gold near each other, after a year (more or less) the two halos will form a connection between each other. If you walk across this connection you can get a reaction from the L-rods and even follow the path to the gold. Larger gold deposits will be able to connect from much greater distance. Small items the halo may only travel a few feet.

Mike, is this another of your "known facts", or just something from your mason jar of dowsing pseudo-science, and other things that can't be verified?

[surfrat96]

Here we go!!

[JBlack]

Here we go!!

Would you have expected anything else, when pure pseudo-science gets stated as scientific fact....?

[JBlack]

Mr. Black....This is about 475 times you have asked this Quetsion. It has been answered about 900 times by about 600 T-Net members. You seem to have a big problem with any prove and photo's that don't come from Randi's web site. 1000's of t-net members have read the post and know this is fact....Art

Yeah, right! And the moon is made out of green cheese. C'mon Art, I wasn't born yesterday.

[FLauthor]

Thank you for your reply, Mr. Black. I know the Grand Randi has uncovered many scams and similar traits of paranormal nature. Dowsing does work and the ideomotor response might occur in ideal circumstances. I don't think the ideomotor response would be strong enough to cause a heavy ring on a four foot length of thread to react in such a manner. Naturally hanging a gold ring from a fence and bringing another ring toward it would not produce a reaction. Perhaps I used the wrong word. One TH'er siad that like metals "excite" each other. Placing a gold object in the ground where it the electromagnetic field of the earth produces the halo effect on metal. I'm not a scientist and won't pretend to be one. Perhaps I should take the Great Randi on and take him up on his Million Dollar Challenge. All I need are two L- rods and a water hose. Water runninng thorugh a hose produces energy and L-rods can detect that energy. How? Damn if I know. There was a case of a PVC water line buried in a field. The contractors used their machines trying to find the line and couldn't. One chap took a pair of L-rods fashioned from coat hangers and found the water line in a matter of minutes.
Maybe someone should send such a question to Dr. Stephan Hawking, noted physicist about the validity of dowsing. I don't have the answers, I don't know. There are questions in our universe that people spend billions of dollars to find the answers. Doctors spend billions of dollars searching for the fountain of youth. But this is America, you believe in what you believe and I'll believe in what i believe.
Have a Disney Day.

Harry

[aarthrj3811]

Take a set of L-Rods and put you foot on a coin. They will cross. Make a simple frame to hold the L-Rods. Try to make the rods close by moving your wrist and hands. Now step on a coin. When they cross you have proved that IDEOMOTOR RESPONCE did not make the rods close. End of game.....Art

[aarthrj3811]

To prove that objects emit energy is simple. Use a quart jar. Take some liquid rubber and dab it onto the center of the lid. Pull it away from the lid to create a thin string that looks like the strand of a spider web. This is the hardest part of the test. Attach a 1/2 inch Alum foil disk to the rubber strand. Screw the lid on the jar.

Place a protractor on the table with the 90 degree mark pointing to north. Set the jar on the protractor and alien the disk in a north south direction. Place a gold nugget beside the jar on the 0 degree mark of the protractor and wait for the disk to turn. Now try placing other objects by the jar one at a time. I found that a slice of onion gave off the strongest signal of anything that I tried.

What turned the disk? I can only conclude that objects emit energy.....Art

[JBlack]

Take a set of L-Rods and put you foot on a coin. They will cross. Make a simple frame to hold the L-Rods. Try to make the rods close by moving your wrist and hands. Now step on a coin. When they cross you have proved that IDEOMOTOR? RESPONCE did not make the rods close. End of game.....Art

They don't cross when moving my wrists or hands because they are fixed in the holding fixture.

When I stepped on a coin, they DID NOT cross because they are fixed in the holding fixture.

If I take them out of the holding fixture and then step on the coin, the ideomotor response causes them to cross.

Conclusion: Only an ideomotor response can make the rods cross.

End Of Story!

[JBlack]

To prove that objects emit energy is simple. Use a quart jar. Take some liquid rubber and dab it onto the center of the lid. Pull it away from the lid to create a thin string that looks like the strand of? a spider web. This is the hardest part of the test. Attach a 1/2 inch Alum foil disk to the rubber strand. Screw the lid on the jar.

Place a protractor on the table with the 90 degree mark pointing to north. Set the jar on the protractor and alien the disk in a north south direction. Place a gold nugget beside the jar on the 0 degree mark of the protractor and wait for the disk to turn. Now try placing other objects by the jar one at a time. I found that a slice of onion gave off the strongest signal of anything that I tried.

What turned the disk? I can only conclude that objects emit energy.....Art

Onions don't give off energy. They have an odor, but that is not energy emission.

You made a bad conclusion.

[aarthrj3811]

This jar contains almost 3 pounds of gold. Some of the gold is screened to -50 mesh. Most of it is -100 mesh. The estimate is that there is more than 2 million pieces of gold in the jar. What are the random odds of recovering this many pieces of gold with a set of dowsing rods? ....Art

[JBlack]

Hey Goldvein...I know what I know. Two rods will close on an onion when you are standing at one of the cardinal directions from it. Carl had a table on his web site a few months ago that gave the freq. of the emissions emitted by about 60 objects. I looked for it this am but couldn't find it. I'm not very good with a computer

As for the radiodynamometer that I made for my expierments it was the forerunner of many of the present day instruments that measure and chart emmisions from objects. Check how a MRI senses living tissure and charts it....Art

Sorry, Art, the references you make to MRI proves beyond any shadow of doubt that you have ZERO understanding of how MRI really works and that you are badly confused. Real science and your brand of pseudoscience do not mix, and never will. You can continue to confuse the two all you want, but quoting real scientific terms with your pseudoscience does NOTHING towards validating your pseudoscience, or proving your point. You are hopelessly lost, and a very confused individual. Too bad you don't get some real scientific facts, so you can see where you've gone wrong.

BTW, the jar of gold dust has ZERO bearing on what you are trying to prove. You would have found it anyway, without dowsing because if you search for gold in a known gold-producing area, chances are 100% that you WILL find gold, whether or not dowsing was involved.

Nice try.

[JBlack]

Sorry that you are to educated to understand a simple experiment that proves the radiation of matter. As far as finding gold? why would I look for it where there is not any. Why would a treasure hunter look for a sunken ship in Kansas.......Art

Exactly my point!!!!

And if you never look for Gold where it is most unlikely to be found, then you WILL remain confused about the true merit and worth of your dowsing contraptions and gimmicks forever. Likewise, if you never submit your dowsing tools to a REAL DB test, then you have nothing at all, no proof... nothing to stand on, not even to put your heel on.

[gldhntr]

dowsing has been subjected to several double blind tests, and has also been proven {by scientists and professors, not d.a.wanabees} to be quite a bit more than chance occurances.....i have posted the outcome of a couple of these tests on this site, along with the protocalls.......if you are going to keep acting as if you actually know something about the subject of dowsing then i suggest you study it a little,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gldhntr