Where are the Dowsers Finds???

[ClonedSIM]

There are so many threads and posts under this topic, but I don't see any posts devoted to the finds a dowser made today? Or yesterday? Or last week?

Sure, there are a few 20 and 30-year-old picture floating around that dowsers drag out all the time, but are there no finds being made by dowsers now?? I mean, come on, you guys go on and on about dowsing theory, yet not one of you can say how or even why dowsing should work, and all this posturing and pontification never results in a single find. Maybe you guys just like to talk about how much more enlightened you are than the rest of the population, but you're so busy doing that you forget to actually go out and dig anything up?

[aarthrj3811]

I don't know what to say about that pic that doesn't sound negative.... ummmm.... lemme just say that I have done alot of gold mining. Flakes don't fluff up like that. Are those brass shavings? Seriously, now....

Aaaahhh, so thats why it looks like shavings, because they ARE shavings..... LOL! I'll have to try that salt and vinegar trick. Thanks

[ClonedSIM]

I don't know what to say about that pic that doesn't sound negative.... ummmm.... lemme just say that I have done alot of gold mining. Flakes don't fluff up like that. Are those brass shavings? Seriously, now....

Aaaahhh, so thats why it looks like shavings, because they ARE shavings..... LOL! I'll have to try that salt and vinegar trick. Thanks

Oh, so these are your finds? More talking? Great, you've really down a service to the dowsing community today.

[ClonedSIM]

Digum,
I won't quote your post here, but you obviously put a lot of time and thought into it.

My question wasn't poised directly towards you, but to all of the dowsers here that have made claims of finding amazing things with their rods.  Yes, I do own a digital camera and have posted finds here in the past, but my finds tend towards average, with the typical newer silver coins, wheats, Indians, jewelry, etc.  But, I live an a part of the country that is sparsely populated and truly amazing finds are few and far between.  Believe me, if I dug up a trove of large cents tomorrow, there would be pics plastered all over the site.

You listed many very obvious reasons why one would not be able to post pictures here, or why one would choose not to post their finds.  But do you honestly believe that one of these applies to every dowser on this forum?  Really?

Even if I don't post pictures often, I guarantee you 20 or 30 other people using detectors post finds on a daily basis.  And time of the day or night you can go into the metal detecting area and find multiple pictures of recent finds made with detectors. 

Why does this not happen in the dowsing forum?

Also, I noted several instances where you refer to my lack of detecting experience.  There's no basis for these claims whatsoever.  I could do what you did and rattle off a list of finds as long as your arm.  In fact, I could turn around and make the same claims about you since, as you pointed out, you choose not to make your finds known.  If it was demanded of me, I could break out the camera and post pictures of the finds from my last few outings with no difficulty. Name me one dowser that can say this.

What is irritating is the self-importance dowsers place on themselves and their hobby.  They carry on and on about how intelligent they are, how the level them work on is so much higher than most everyone else (whatever that means,) how sensitive they are to their surroundings, how what they do is connected to the Earth/Sun/Moon/Space etc, but most importantly how what they do seems to defy all laws of nature and logic.

Since you seem to have such a great grasp of my previous posts, then you obviously know why I came to this forum to begin with.  I'll let you draw your own conclusions about that.  Needless to say, because I have a logical mind, the answers I was given made no sense, and the more I read and studied and attempted to grasp the concept of dowsing, the stranger the answers became before I came to the realization that not one dowser here knows what it is they are doing. 

They can't tell you why dowsing should work and they can't tell you how dowsing should work.  Their explanations are filled with pseudo-scientific language, minerals doing what no mineral is able to do, crazy methods for finding their target by placing a sample in their shoe/hat/ear....  But here's the kicker!  Everything they say, they either contradict themselves the next day, or another dowser does the contradicting.  Then, to top the whole thing off, they love to sit and accuse metal detectorists of wasting time digging things on the surface, when there are apparently thousands of caves far below the surface of the Earth filled with gold bars...... 

Of course, they can never recover these treasures for one reason or another....

And I think that's the main thrust of my problem with dowsers.  They love to go on and on about the amazing finds they've made, stating without question that the signal they got in the field today was 3 tons of gold buried 50 feet down, but they never recover them.  Even minor claims, like "I found a gold ring and 10 silver coins" are never backed up with anything.  I can guarantee that if I had the audacity to post that I dug 2 gold coins and 9 silver rings, there would be a picture to prove this!  But luckily dowsers never seem to have this burden placed upon them.  That, and the fact that nothing they do has any basis in science.

[ClonedSIM]

Yeah, I didn't think so.....

So, any dowsers out there want to share your finds as of the past day or two?

[Kentucky Kache]

af, honestly, what would you do with a recent picture of a dowsing find? I think we all know the answer and, in my opinion, this is grounds for action against you. You're a trouble maker and all you want to do is start fights. I guess you don't have anything better to post.

[ClonedSIM]

af, honestly, what would you do with a recent picture of a dowsing find? I think we all know the answer and, in my opinion, this is grounds for action against you. You're a trouble maker and all you want to do is start fights. I guess you don't have anything better to post.

It's a perfectly honest question, CC.

What I'm really trying to get at here is that dowsers make claims of finding treasures, and amazing treasures at that, but never has anyone seen these treasures. Why is this? Metal detectorists have no problem sharing their finds, but dowsers seem to hate this? Why?

And surely you've noticed how there are many finds posted on a daily basis in the metal detecting sectins of this site, but none, and I mean none, are ever posted here. Why?

And, this: in my opinion, this is grounds for action against you, is just foolishness. This post has been bere for almost a week, and there hasn't been a peep from the moderators. I'm staying out of the dowser's only section, and have posted this in the general dowsing section. Anyone is allowed to post here.

Since you're on the defensive here, then you must be a dowser. Where are your finds?

[Kentucky Kache]

If I were a dowser, I wouldn't be ashamed to admit it. But, my question remains, what would you do with such a pic? I mean, you've admitted they have posted pics before. If you needed pictures for proof, then that would be good enough, so why...?

[ClonedSIM]

If I were a dowser, I wouldn't be ashamed to admit it. But, my question remains, what would you do with such a pic? I mean, you've admitted they have posted pics before. If you needed pictures for proof, then that would be good enough, so why...?

The problem with the pics they've posted is they are the same pictures over and over, and they all seem to date to 10 or 20 years back. That itself isn't a huge concern, but what I can't understand at all is how dowsers can make the claims they do without anyone calling them out to show these finds. This anomoly only seems to happen in the dowsing section. That, and the fact that they make so many "undiscovered" finds, that it, finds that they claim are true and amazingly valuable, but they they never recover them. Have you read some of these outrageous posts?

Stories about 2 tons of gold in a cave 20 feet down that is never recovered once they locate it. Cannons full of gold, barrels overflowing with gold and silver coins, yet never do they make an attempt to recover these treasures. The excuses vary, but there's always an excuse!

Let me ask you this, one treasure hunter to another, if you were convinced there were 20 gold bricks in an underground cave 30 feet below the ground, wouldn't you do everything in your power to recover them?

[Kentucky Kache]

Let me ask you this, one treasure hunter to another, if you were convinced there were 20 gold bricks in an underground cave 30 feet below the ground, wouldn't you do everything in your power to recover them?

I sure would. But you guys would probably never see it.

I've heard some pretty outlandish tales from other forms of treasure hunting as well.
Point is, if dowsing is someone's enjoyment, why not leave them to it.

[ClonedSIM]

Let me ask you this, one treasure hunter to another, if you were convinced there were 20 gold bricks in an underground cave 30 feet below the ground, wouldn't you do everything in your power to recover them?

I sure would. But you guys would probably never see it.

I've heard some pretty outlandish tales from other forms of treasure hunting as well.
Point is, if dowsing is someone's enjoyment, why not leave them to it.

I'm not trying to stifle anyone's enjoyment, but I would like to stifle the claims some of these guys make.

I've heard of some pretty outrageous tales from detectorists, it's true, but nowhere near the number as you hear from dowsers.

A big problem I can see with this behavior is this: say a person caught the hunting bug, and goes to the 'net to get some information. He wanders around for a bit, finds this site, and stumbles into a dowser's post saying he located a cache of gold coins using coat hangers. He thinks this is definitely the way to go, since those metal detectorists only find gold coins one at a time. So, he goes out with his hangers and can't find anything. He read and reads some of the pseudo-scientific terms attached to dowsing, and thinks that if these guys are doing so well with rods, then certainly an electronic dowsing device would work for him. So he goes out and spends hundreds or even thousands of dollars on one and finds nothing. Then this site has been tainted to him, and he'll invariably spread the word. It's not that far-fetched.

If dowsers just wandered around with hangers, then that'd be one thing. But they claim to make amazing finds that they never recover, attach scientific-sounding names to the things their coat hangers do, and mock anyone who questions the reality of their actions.

[stefen]

Dowser finds are like a fart-in-the-wind, a lot of time defending a practice and very little showing results.

[Kentucky Kache]

Or maybe they'll do it like I did, bend coat hangers and find out that it doesn't work for everyone.

[ClonedSIM]

Or maybe they'll do it like I did, bend coat hangers and find out that it doesn't work for everyone.

But if this is the case, wouldn't it be even more motivation to post pictures of something that only you could find, that other people wouldn't have the ability to do?

Either dowsers are stretching the truth about their finds, or they're not at all proud of them and would be embarassed if someone else saw them.

[ClonedSIM]

af1733  I really thought that you might be better than this and get the point. But you aren't, you don't, and you won't. When people like you continue to criticize and cut down any part of treasure hunting you're destroying your own hobby. That's stupid !  That appears to be your goal and the people here on TN, no matter what method they use as treasure hunters, if they really are treasure hunters, should recognize that. It affects everyone on TN. It affects real treasure hunters everywhere. It affects new people to this hobby. When treasure hunters don't stick together and they continually argue like you do, it weakons us as a hobby. It gives someone the ability to come in and take away one more of our rights.  af1733 you may swing a metal detector, but you're no treasure hunter. If you cared about this hobby you would stop. You're only goal here is to start a fire and destroy this hobby. Every treasure hunter on TN should tell you they're going to do it, and then do what I'm about to do to you.  The same thing I did long before today, to someone who's just like you, Stefen.  I'm pushing the "Ignore" button. You are of no value here. You no longer exist. 

Mighty "big boy" words for someone with 57 posts to his name.

You obviously ignored everything I wrote in post #5 of this thread.  Go ahead, accuse me of not being a treasure hunter, just like the other dowsers have.  I guess there really is a big difference between a treasure hunter and a treasure finder, eh?

But please elaborate on what I'm destroying by asking dowsers to post their finds?  I'm not criticizing dowsing, I'm criticizing the claims dowsers make.  I've been very clear about that.

[ClonedSIM]

af1733 I really thought that you might be better than this and get the point. But you aren't, you don't, and you won't. When people like you continue to criticize and cut down any part of treasure hunting you're destroying your own hobby. That's stupid ! That appears to be your goal and the people here on TN, no matter what method they use as treasure hunters, if they really are treasure hunters, should recognize that. It affects everyone on TN. It affects real treasure hunters everywhere. It affects new people to this hobby. When treasure hunters don't stick together and they continually argue like you do, it weakons us as a hobby. It gives someone the ability to come in and take away one more of our rights. af1733 you may swing a metal detector, but you're no treasure hunter. If you cared about this hobby you would stop. You're only goal here is to start a fire and destroy this hobby. Every treasure hunter on TN should tell you they're going to do it, and then do what I'm about to do to you. The same thing I did long before today, to someone who's just like you, Stefen. I'm pushing the "Ignore" button. You are of no value here. You no longer exist.

Ahhh, just looked through your prevous posts. Apparently you are a dowser.

Where are your finds?

[Kentucky Kache]

But if it's exaggerated finds (or lies?), then shouldn't you say that? No, I think DOWSING is the sticking point. If you don't like dowsing, that's fine, but if someone else does, then that's fine too.

[ClonedSIM]

But if it's exaggerated finds (or lies?), then shouldn't you say that? No, I think DOWSING is the sticking point. If you don't like dowsing, that's fine, but if someone else does, then that's fine too.

Well sure, if they enjoy dowsing then have at it! But, as I did point out several times, dowsers either don't recover the finds they make, or the never existed in the first place.

Why would someone feel the need to make up finds like this? I mean, if this is what you do, great, have at it! But don't show up somewhere making all these ridiculous claims and then get upset when someone asks to see them. It's human nature to be curious, right?

[Montana Jim]

It's easy to believe 99 percent of folks who claim detector finds because ANYone can go out and verify this works, and then post pictures.

It's VERY difficult to believe the dowsing finds because nobody ever posts finds... I think I would be skeptical, but very interested, if someone would at least claim to show some dowsing finds.

I think even if one in a million of you actually find something (besides water) I might still be skeptical.

I dunno... but thats my truth.

[Kentucky Kache]

It's easy to believe 99 percent of folks who claim detector finds because ANYone can go out and verify this works, and then post pictures.

It's VERY difficult to believe the dowsing finds because nobody ever posts finds... I think I would be skeptical, but very interested, if someone would at least claim to show some dowsing finds.

I think even if one in a million of you actually find something (besides water) I might still be skeptical.

I dunno... but thats my truth.

And maybe thats the reason some don't post pics.