California Highbanking?

[killerwine]

I've tried to read all the info on here regarding the rules for Highbanking in CA.....I am I right in thinking it is legal as long as I'm 100 yards from the stream or river and no water is going directly back in to the stream or river? I'm getting my stuff ready to head to the Motherlode and am trying to determine my plan of attack and equipment I will be bringing.....

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[Hoser John]

Bring $25,000 plus $250 for each gallon of water dirtied in accordance to waterboards bs. Being enforced if ya care as a 15 minute observence prior to ticket presentation is good for almost a mill in fines NOT a yahoo. Err on the side a caution as ifn' ya can't pay the fine or do the time your outta there. Go anywhere but insane kalif,waterboards bs posted here with links by Gold Hog-John

[Gravel Hog]

Go on the New 49er club claims as Dave says it is OK and to back it all up is going to pick up the tab on all fines, fees, and legal rep (not saying his laywer is worth a crap but..)
Before I took him up on his "Fantastic" offer I would get it in writing and notorized. Can't be too safe as Hoser has it right as always. Major Waterboard BS.

Best of Luck either way KW!

Hoser, I posted some links on this forum about WB permit BS and what not also but who is this Gold Hog you speak of?
Or did you have a senior momento? or yet another should I say- LOL Gravel Hog (Not Gravel Washer or Gold Hog or any other Hog)

Gravel Hog - Hog'n that crap up as the gold nugs be at the very bottom waiting for me and No Sharing when I have the dang nozzle. (till I get wore out, a'course)

[Hoser John]

HAHAHAHA-- ya'all got it right J as so po'd I had a righteous senior moment as keeping your numerous names straight does give a ol'fart fits sometimes bud. No dispespect just confusion as to kalif delusions as cap and trade just passed assembly and last brick in the wall being pulled out and state a gonna fall sure a LL now man. Already killed the economy and now kill it all-yaaaa NOT-John

[killerwine]

Thanks GH and HJ.....I think I've read most of what both of you have posted on the subject before....but was still confused....the situation in CA is quickly coming to the point where we will all need to chose uniform colors....I want to know who to AIM at! It's too easy for the pukes in Sac to hide now......

[Oakview2]

For whatever its worth, we highbank in the area northeast of Coulterville, the rule up there is wet to wet, and dry to dry. Most of us are digging a holding pond to filter all waters before they could ever return to any streambed. We work fairly close with the FS in this area and have had no problems. Who knows what these water resource nazis will come up with. For whatever reason the enforcement folks up in the northern part of the state seem to have a serious bug up their butt. Best of luck, and Happy Hunting

[Hoser John]

Court makes it tougher on small-time gold miners
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By JEFF BARNARD
AP Environmental Writer
By JEFF BARNARD
Last modified: 2012-06-01T23:42:31Z
Published: Friday, Jun. 1, 2012 - 3:36 pm
Last Modified: Friday, Jun. 1, 2012 - 4:42 pm
Copyright 2012 . All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
A federal appeals court ruling Friday makes it tougher for small-time gold miners to work their claims on federal lands across the West.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco ruled in a split decision that the U.S. Forest Service has to consult biologists from other agencies before allowing miners to do anything that might harm salmon protected by the Endangered Species Act. The ruling overturned a District Court decision.
The case was brought by the Karuk Tribe in Northern California as part of a longstanding battle to protect struggling salmon from mining on the Klamath River. The tribe traditionally depended upon the salmon for food.
"The Forest Service's decision to place the search for minuscule flakes of gold above the needs of people who rely on clean water, and especially wild salmon, was unconscionable," Leaf Hillman, director of natural resources for the Karuk Tribe, said in a statement.
A mining group said the ruling makes it virtually impossible for people to use suction dredges on rivers through federal lands with protected species. The dredges are gasoline-powered vacuums that suck the gravel from river bottoms and concentrate the gold.
Jerry Hobbs, president of Public Lands for the People in San Bernardino, Calif., said most miners will not be able to afford the high cost of environmental reviews required to get approval. He predicted about 100 miners would go ahead and use their dredges illegally, because state and federal authorities are not likely to enforce any ban.
The ruling comes on top of a moratorium issued by the California Legislature against using suction dredges to mine for gold. The moratorium, which expires in 2016, grew out of another lawsuit brought by the tribe demanding tougher state controls over suction dredges.
The Forest Service had no comment.
The Klamath Tribe's lawsuit came after a district ranger on the Klamath National Forest in 2004 approved plans by the New 49ers gold mining club and three miners to use dredges to mine for gold.
The appeals court ruled that a low-level approval process known as filing a notice of intent amounted to an agency action covered by the Endangered Species Act. It also found that the mining clearly met the legal hurdle of "might affect" critical habitat for salmon, triggering consultation with biologists for the NOAA Fisheries Service, which oversees protected salmon. The court noted that consultation in some cases could be handled informally, without an extensive review.
A dissenting justice wrote that the mining was already approved by the 1872 Mining Act, and the approval of a notice of intent did not qualify as a separate agency action triggering consultation
Read more here: Court makes it tougher on small-time gold miners - AP State Wire News - The Sacramento Bee CAN YA ALL FEEL THAT FRIGGN GDMF KARUK LOVE NOW??

[Oakview2]

Maybe folks in that area should start making some noise about their proposed casino and what negative effects it will have on the community.

[russau]

money talks and BS walks!

[Oakview2]

money talks and BS walks!

Would be nice if they had to spend some of that money on multiple EIR reports, a five year study on the negative effects of gambling, ect

[Hillbillybjopkr1]

Oak....there has been alot of cage rattling about the Casino being built in Yreka....but right now as it is....thanks to that pissant craig tucker...what the Karuks want..the Karuks get cause everyone is afraid of gettin sued by Tucker and his filth

[Oakview2]

Who is Craig Tucker? Politician, lawyer, enviro?

[russau]

Who is Craig Tucker? Politician, lawyer, enviro?

he is part of the problem and is with the karuck tribe.

[Hillbillybjopkr1]

Craig Tucker phd. Coordinator for the Karuk tribe...or so his title is as I have read in our local paper..office address i believe is in San Francisco...he or rather his office is the one's doing most of the lawsuit filings for the Karuck tribe. And if what I have read in the past is right...he is one of the founders of the Klamath River Keepers. you guys should visit their site if you haven't already....it'll make you just sick.....mainly cause the venom they spew forth from that site ppl just lap it up like milk in a saucer Klamath Riverkeeper