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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnsharpshooter View Post
    I don't plan getting rid of all my Deus units. And have never said as much.
    I can't find a dark side to Equinox. Not like a paid 2 grand for it.

    I have run the dogs doo doo out of mine.

    Seems to be a very good all a rounder.

    You want me just to make some thing up bad about it??

    My only gripe is, no mineral strength meter.

    When you drop one of these into a old house site, you'll see for yourself.

    One gent on another forum, is already admitting after using, he's eating crow.
    He thought Equinox was a sham.
    He thought wrong it seems.
    TNSS,

    Good discussion. Now we're getting somewhere.

    I know it isn't a sham, but it is good to know and advertise it's limitations. ML is NOT going to do that. Only independent testers like you can do that. Is it going to be as deep on silver in deal conditions as the CTX - I think not (personally, not a problem for me, but it might be an issue for others). I too wish it had a mineralization meter - good start. I think the key point is sitting there right in front of us. You said (in your head-to-head post elswhere) you are starting to leave your Deus at home when take out the Equinox, yet you just said you do not plan on getting rid of the Deus yet. Can you elaborate as to why. (In my case, it is the HF coils operating at frequencies that the Equinox cannot touch, which is another tool in the thick iron toolkit that Smokey exploits to the max and I am still trying to learn better and Deus is still the low profile, take anywhere beast that I can always keep around). What is your reason for hanging on to Deus in life after Equinox? Thanks.
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  2. #32

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    Tn
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeythecat View Post
    When vferrari and I test machines head to head in bad ground, that will give me an indication of just how good it is. I have no doubt it's a good machine, however, I already have three and for me to personally justify another machine, I have to see it in action first. I always test drive a machine before I buy it and frankly, the hype is getting boring. I have no gripe on the EQ series. It's just an unproven machine against it's competition. I think it will give the AT Pro a run for it's money, however with that said, an experienced user can do very well for themselves with whichever machine they have. One of my best machines is a full size garden shovel! I nailed it today with that in a bottle dump. Bottles are early and are getting soaked right now, should be cleaned by late tomorrow. Some CW into early 20th century. Unfortunately almost off of them were shattered but I did get a few out of the area. Unfortunately no coins or buckles or decent buttons there either.
    Yep I have been comparing and running Nox against Deus in bad ground.
    I have seen a more than a few things.

    But a metered Deus cost more than a Nox.
    I'll be watching to see which signals on a dime deeper as nonferrous in bad ground Nox or Deus with LF coil.

    You may be surprised.
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  3. #33
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    Park 2 runs a default UMM HUMMM Reactivity as the French would say or Recovery that is faster then park 1. Also Park 2 runs 0 iron bias as default.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATPRoDon View Post
    I have about 8hrs under my belt now with the 800, one thing people are doing is incorrectly is Noice Cancelling. The coil should be pointing in the air, not on the ground or pointing to the ground. The other is if your going to do a manual ground balance when you pump the coil do not have it on the ground, it should be 3 to 4 inches above ground, it also says if you cannot get low digits during a manual ground balance you can go side to side with the coil. So far I have just been going to auto track and that seems to work pretty good. I will say that the Park 1 and Park 2 modes are very different programs. Park 2 seems to be the program that can pick out good targets that are mixed in with a lot of trash. I am not having any chatter issues at all.

    Does it beat my V3i with the killer Detect coil? not yet. I Think the V3i gives so much more information before you dig. But I am going to hang with the 800 and take it through the paces.

    Cheers...
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  4. #34

    Jul 2012
    Tn
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    Quote Originally Posted by vferrari View Post
    TNSS,

    Good discussion. Now we're getting somewhere.

    I know it isn't a sham, but it is good to know and advertise it's limitations. ML is NOT going to do that. Only independent testers like you can do that. Is it going to be as deep on silver in deal conditions as the CTX - I think not (personally, not a problem for me, but it might be an issue for others). I too wish it had a mineralization meter - good start. I think the key point is sitting there right in front of us. You said (in your head-to-head post elswhere) you are starting to leave your Deus at home when take out the Equinox, yet you just said you do not plan on getting rid of the Deus yet. Can you elaborate as to why. (In my case, it is the HF coils operating at frequencies that the Equinox cannot touch, which is another tool in the thick iron toolkit that Smokey exploits to the max and I am still trying to learn better and Deus is still the low profile, take anywhere beast that I can always keep around). What is your reason for hanging on to Deus in life after Equinox? Thanks.
    The elliptical LF coil hits a 9" deep clad dime here. No other coil I have for Deus will, even the round HF coil. Nox does.
    Nox will see nonferrous things Deus won't or Deus will give iron tone on. Elongated, round, for example.
    Saw it today as a matter a fact.
    You'll find less guesswork with signals with the Nox vs Deus.
    Deus does well in mineral, on mid and lower conductors and bigger high conductors.
    This is downfall for Deus though, cause you have to run 18kha in bad dirt for depth. So old house site with bad dirt and modern trash you are SOL, hence Nox can safe the day.

    I have thought long and hard about things I'm a saying on forums. Takes a lot to please me. Nox pleases me.
    I'll put it this way knowing what I know about Nox.
    Take any old house site.
    Hunt the daylights out of it all you want with what you want.
    IMO site can't be declared dead until after Nox goes in there and sniffs around.
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  5. #35
    us
    Jun 2006
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    I guess Minelab is playing us then this comes from the Manual.
    The default Ground Balance setting of 0 is
    recommended for Park, Field and Beach Modes
    because these locations typically have less
    mineralisation than goldfields.
    However, if the ground is generating many noise signals (and/
    or the Sensitivity level is set very low), then using Auto Ground
    Balance is recommended.
    If the Auto Ground Balance process does not greatly reduce
    ground noise (due to highly mineralised ground or high salt
    levels), then repeat the Auto Ground Balance process by
    sweeping the coil from side-to-side, rather than the standard
    up and down motion.


    vferrari;5718845]So turn on and go means don't read the simple quick start instructions?

    Reactivity is Deus terminology. At one point ML was even using it in its early Equinox literature.

    The ability to adjust recovery is a great feature that allows you to trade off depth vs. ability to separate keepers from trash. No free lunch.

    Depth isn't everything, but it's hard to tell a CTX 3030 owner that. Lol.[/QUOTE]

  6. #36
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    Yeah as far as the modes go - you got it GM.

    Park and Field "1" modes are biased towards the lower frequencies, lower default recovery, and iron suppression and are best for deep high conductors (e.g., silver) in light trash.

    Park and Field "2" modes are hotter (not as hot as gold mode, though) meaning they are biased towards higher frequencies and therefore hit mid-conductors and smallish targets harder and can also separate better due to the higher frequency bias AND higher default recovery speed.

    Gold is hottest and is also a pseudo VCO with threshold vice tone mode like the other search modes and is geared toward nugget busting but may have some usefulness relic detecting in hot soils.

    Finally, Beach Modes are least hot (Beach 1 salt sand, Beach 2 wet salt sand and surf) and geared to handle salt ground conditions with Multi IQ (you cannot select individual frequencies in the Beach modes) and hit mainly on high conductors but has been shown to hit on gold, including the elusive gold chains in moving salt surf.

    Pretty much a jack of all trades and a master of perhaps most? The key of this thread is to uncover just WHAT the Equinox does not excel at. What is it not a master of?
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  7. #37
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    How does it do around EMF? Overhead and underground.

    Does is go Bat$5!t crazy like the Deus does? Thatís one thing about the Deus that drives me nuts...but I put up with it since itís such a good Hunter.

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  8. #38
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    I still think it's being at the right place at the right time. And knowing your machine. As far as price goes, after that first rare Confederate button, gold coin or such it's all equal anyway. It seems the EQ was designed as an all around machine. In a month people will know more. For those who expect stuff to magically jump out of the ground at them, well, don't think that's in the game. Negatives, It's nose heavy and for us old toads, that will knock off time in the field. We old toads kind of physically collapse after a few hours digging.
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  9. #39

    Jul 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterScoop View Post
    How does it do around EMF? Overhead and underground.

    Does is go Bat$5!t crazy like the Deus does? That’s one thing about the Deus that drives me nuts...but I put up with it since it’s such a good Hunter.

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    I have hunted directly under high power power lines 3 different occasions. Could runs sen to 22 and quiet in 2, the other I could run 23 sensitivity. One place was at freshwater beach. Was digging pull tabs at between 10-11.5" deep usinf 22 sens beach 1, multi freq looking for gold. And the Nox was IDing them correctly too. Compared airtest readings on a lot of them. Not like gold is going to give any one TID reading though. But I sure could skip high conductive clad if wanted to.
    Most of my hunting btw is done at 23 sens.
    Last edited by tnsharpshooter; Feb 25, 2018 at 09:22 PM.
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  10. #40
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    OK Who on here is watching our thread LOL


  11. #41
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    Waterscoop, I run my Deus next to and right under (literally 6" away) from a live electric fence and run it next to a high voltage transformer on the one property. I have no problem w emi. Note to self: bumping into the fence is an ooey! Ouchy!
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  12. #42
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    Jul 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMeanie View Post
    I guess Minelab is playing us then this comes from the Manual.
    The default Ground Balance setting of 0 is
    recommended for Park, Field and Beach Modes
    because these locations typically have less
    mineralisation than goldfields.
    However, if the ground is generating many noise signals (and/
    or the Sensitivity level is set very low), then using Auto Ground
    Balance is recommended.
    If the Auto Ground Balance process does not greatly reduce
    ground noise (due to highly mineralised ground or high salt
    levels), then repeat the Auto Ground Balance process by
    sweeping the coil from side-to-side, rather than the standard
    up and down motion.


    vferrari;5718845]So turn on and go means don't read the simple quick start instructions?

    Reactivity is Deus terminology. At one point ML was even using it in its early Equinox literature.

    The ability to adjust recovery is a great feature that allows you to trade off depth vs. ability to separate keepers from trash. No free lunch.

    Depth isn't everything, but it's hard to tell a CTX 3030 owner that. Lol.
    [/QUOTE]

    Sorry, I'm dense. What point are you trying to make? You've lost me, are you arguing that you shouldn't have to GB, the GB instructions are NOT straight forward, it is not a Grab n Go machine, what?
    "The future ain't what it used to be..."

  13. #43

    Jul 2012
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    Deus and electric fence boxes (not fences) will drive it mad. Been there and done that way too many times.
    So if the electric fence box is inside and old house you plan to hunt. Either turn off the box if you can or haul azz and go somewhere else to hunt.
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  14. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeythecat View Post
    I still think it's being at the right place at the right time. And knowing your machine. As far as price goes, after that first rare Confederate button, gold coin or such it's all equal anyway. It seems the EQ was designed as an all around machine. In a month people will know more. For those who expect stuff to magically jump out of the ground at them, well, don't think that's in the game. Negatives, It's nose heavy and for us old toads, that will knock off time in the field. We old toads kind of physically collapse after a few hours digging.
    In part, "nose heavy", one reason why I so love the small coils.
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  15. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMeanie View Post
    Because there is no need to noise cancel if you don't have noise. Also with minelabs no need to ground balance if not needed either the reason it is default 0.
    I would respectfully disagree, on a minelab noise cancel is just part of a process, just as pressing a power button to turn it on, what's say 8 seconds or so?, that's when I put on my gloves. Ground balance? Well, your are correct if it has "Auto Ground Balance". In a Multi-Freq. machine it will I believe select the proper GB itself, you CAN choose to do it in manual, but since the machine is smarter than I am anyway, I let it take care of that.
    Last edited by sprailroad; Feb 27, 2018 at 06:30 AM.

 

 
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