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  1. #16
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    Jul 2015
    Near Ground Zero for Insanity
    XP Deus with HF/x35 Coils and Mi6 Pinpointer/ML Equinox 600/800/ML GPX 4800/Garrett ATX/Fisher F75 DST/Tek Delta/Whites MXT/Nokta Simplex/Garrett Carrot
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    See XP ORX - they made a "simplified" Deus but the price did not really come down that much for what you get.

    Problem is that ML got a lot of cost out by the material design of the detector, not by reducing features. So your reduced feature set Equinox 100 will still cost the same as the 600/800 to make.

    The difference in features between the 600 and 800 is not what really drives the cost difference between the detectors. That is really driven by not including the wireless hardware in the box (bt headphones and the WM08 module) which ML sells separately for MORE than the cost difference between the two detectors. (800 to 600 cost difference is $250, the WM08 and BT headphones sell separately for a total of over $400!).

    In the end, ML should not have bothered with the 600. The should have just sold an 800 variant with no wireless accessories and the the existing 800 package with a $350 price difference. I know which one I would have bought, in that case.
    Last edited by vferrari; Jan 12, 2019 at 05:51 AM.
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  2. #17
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    Jul 2015
    Near Ground Zero for Insanity
    XP Deus with HF/x35 Coils and Mi6 Pinpointer/ML Equinox 600/800/ML GPX 4800/Garrett ATX/Fisher F75 DST/Tek Delta/Whites MXT/Nokta Simplex/Garrett Carrot
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayinAlaska View Post
    A dedicated detector controller is not a bad idea, and I imagine that all "not too far into the future" detectors will have options to have a control box (a controller) that is detachable or movable. It does not have to be a cellphone, of course. But whatever is used, it will incorporate, like I mentioned in my previews post, some "Bluetooth (or similar)," mode to communicate with the coil. It will eventually incorporate some sort of technology to lock on GPS, and even to connect online wirelessly. It is a matter of time, because once one company starts the trend, other will follow.

    P.S. I had a second thought: since there are only so many places we can detect over and over with all the detectors on the market that incorporate the same technologies, it leaves the door open for detector improvements that relate to target-detecting accuracy and depth. In other words, the detectors that have the capabilities of being more accurate on target acquisition or ID, plus superior target detecting depth may very well be more important to consumers than all the bells and whistles?

    ~Just wondering if reinventing the wheel is more important than improving it
    XP has had the detachable/pocketable dedicated wireless (even to the coil) control box for the last 9 years now with Deus. No other manufacturers have followed suit. So I doubt it is going to catch on anytime soon.

    GPS in the detector? See CTX. No one else is doing it since.

    I think part of the problem is that when detector manufacturers put these more sophisticated cell-phone-like features in their detectors they tend to price the detector in the stratosphere.

    Perhaps Equinox has broken the mold in terms of features at reasonable cost (i.e., value) and the multi IQ based version of the CTX (i.e., Equinox with CTX like target ID, and CTX bells and whistles) is around the corner at about $1500 less than the CTX cost today, but I am not holding my breath.
    Last edited by vferrari; Jan 12, 2019 at 05:41 AM.
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  3. #18
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    Apr 2018
    Atlanta, GA
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayinAlaska View Post
    In my view all Minelab has to do is to release firmware and then software updates for a couple of years to keep the Equinox updated. All the changes to the detector's performance can be accomplished this way for a few years, and then a new Equinox model with more bells and whistles will enter the market.

    It seems that the years of the "big control box" analog detectors are a thing of the past. New detectors are much like portable computers. In fact, all you would need is an app on your cellphone, and a sending/receiving Bluetooth (or similar) chip on the coil. Just an adjustable shaft with a handle, and a coil. Well, one would need to keep the cellphone battery charged, but then the shaft could very well include a battery to power the bluetooth chip on the coil.

    In relation to ergonomics, Minelab could redesign the shaft with an adjustable handle. For the time being, angled-shims and longer/shorter screws would solve that problem without interfering with the battery.

    By the way, if you happen to have a food vacuum sealer such as a Food Saver or another, you can easily build a transparent control box cover to protect the screen and control buttons. Take your time and wrap the clearer/thinner side of the bag over the entire screen and buttons (set the seam at the bottom of the control box). Just don't make it too tight around the control box since you will have to make some cuts for the cable.
    If the units are waterproof, why would you need/want to do this?

  4. #19
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    Oct 2018
    Alaska
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    Quote Originally Posted by saanich2018 View Post
    If the units are waterproof, why would you need/want to do this?
    Are you referring to 'building a screen cover"? If that's the case, a lot of Equinox users are buying screen covers that fit both the Deus and Equinox screens to protect the control buttons from sand and dirt-caused scratches. To me it does not make sense to buy a screen cover I can make myself with small "shrink wrap bags," or with a food vacuum sealer and bags. If you detect muddy fields and wet sand, sooner or later you are going to scratch the surface material of the control buttons.
    Last edited by RayinAlaska; Jan 12, 2019 at 10:04 PM.
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  5. #20
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    Amboy Wa.
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    There will always be something new to wait for but think about all the detecting you will miss waiting for the new and improved model.
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  6. #21
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    Apr 2018
    Atlanta, GA
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    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered my 800 today, plus a Garrett AT Pro pin pointer.

    Now I just need all of you to teach me how to use it.
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  7. #22
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    Jul 2006
    Florida
    Minelab_Equinox_ 800 Minelab_CTX-3030 Minelab_Excal_1000 Minelab_Sovereign_GT Minelab_Safari Minelab_ETrac Whites_Beach_Hunter_ID Fisher_1235_X
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    Minelab is very tight lipped about any new releases or developments, the only way we as the public know something is in the works is by watching patent filings by Minelab. They do not even tell employees outside of Australia what they are developing until they are ready for field testing.

    As far as releases here is public info on the last 7 years.

    CTX 3030 Released 2012 - Hobby detector
    GPZ 7000 Released 2015 - Dedicated Gold Detector
    GoldMonster 1000 Released 2017 - Dedicated Gold Detector
    Equinox 600/800 Released 2018 - Hobby Detector
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  8. #23
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    Nov 2018
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    Great question. Even better responses. That's what I like here. Funny thing is...I researched a lot before I bought mine...I got an 800 since I had the money. I used it for all of 5 minutes to check it out in the yard. It seems worth all everyone is going nuts over. Found out I've got lots of digging ahead. But at the same time I came across a fabulous deal on a Tesoro Mojave and got a great deal on an extra coil. That was in early December. Then the world turned upside down as a drunk driver killed both my parents and almost killed my daughter and her husband. So the 800 will gather hang time in the garage since it's the last thing on my mind or have time for while we help them to rehab and I attend trials to bury the habitual criminal. If I get any time I'll just use the Mojave and hope to find a buyer that will get a hell of a deal...Anyone interested PM me, if it doesn't get blocked and we can discuss. Just can't see it not getting used

  9. #24
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    Jul 2012
    Poconos, Nw.NJ & Delaware Valley
    Fisher f75 Teknetics Omega 8000 (Coming soon) Minelab Equinox 800 Have owned Minela b Safari and X terra 705
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    When I decided to get my equinox 800 I vowed to go all-in and learn everything I can by using the Nox almost exclusively and not getting lured into the next new ultimate detector. I have all 3 coils already, and Iíve addressed all the things I thought needed addressing. I wanted super-portability for back-packing, so I installed a ď fold and goĒ.
    I also converted the shaft to an s-shaft using a whites s-shaft. Now it has the ergonomics of my f 75 and no wobble issues. I modified the coil route so that coil changes take only seconds to do. I also added a set of wired super-light earbud headphones, but normally use a pair with the WM 08 for wireless use. I just wanted backup. Iím certainly no expert at using the equinox, but I get better with each use. I will get the Sabish handbook as soon as it is released. I hope to see more coil options and future software updates- but I see no reason for an upgraded equinox in the future.
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  10. #25

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    Iíll happily take a unit with the fantastic ctx identification data coupled with nox separation, speed and weight.
    Coins I have found in MY yard-

    1775 British half penny, 178x half penny, 1816 Spanish 1/2 Reale, 1849 large cent, 1858 Seated Liberty quarter, 1892 Barber quarter, 18xx Shield nickel, 1897 Liberty head V nickel, a pile of Indian cents & Wheat pennies, 1946 dime, 1963 half dollar.

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