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Thread: Why should I get an 800?

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  1. #1

    Dec 2016
    Connecticut
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    Why should I get an 800?

    I have a CTX with 6", 11" & 17" coils. I have a harness and use Gray Ghost wireless headphones.

    I've been following posts and read the comparisons & seen youtube videos comparing them and I can hear the CTX signals making sense and the 800 signals not so much but I'm not used to them either. Still, they both seem just about as effective.

    I cannot do much in the water (prosthetic leg) and I know the 800 is 2 pounds lighter which is an advantage. The 800 has no target trace which I do like and I'm familliar with it. I'm honestly a little bummed Minelab charges so much for the CTX and the 800 seems to be almost as good. Now there are 3 coils for the 800 and they cost less than the CTX coils did. The way Minelab is going, there will be a 1000 before there is a 4040 but I have heard nothing in the pipeline. It'd be my luck to buy an 800 and then they drop something like an updated CTX & I'd feel burned again.

    So is there any compelling reason why I should consider also buying an 800? Or, why would I bring both on a hunt unless I was worried about running out of battery with just one?
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    CTX 3030 - 6", 12" & 17" coils - Garrett Carrot - Grey Ghost wireless headphones.
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  2. #2
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    Jul 2015
    Near Ground Zero for Insanity
    XP Deus with HF Coils and Mi6 Pinpointer/ML Equinox 600/800/ML GPX 4800/Garrett ATX/Fisher F75 DST/Tek Delta/Whites MXT/Garrett Carrot/Piranha Relic Shovel
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    CTX is still king on deep silver in clean/mild ground and has the most informative and accurate TID. Faster and adjustable recovery speed is the main advantage that Equinox has over CTX which helps it outperform CTX in thick iron. Also, Equinox has different MultIQ signal processing filters that enable it to be optimized for different target types like gold and mid-conductive relics as well as for high conductors and jewelry. These are not just different user setting presets, but the underlying MultiIQ frequency mix and signal processing software varies from mode to mode. It is like getting multiple flavors of FBS on one machine. As a result, Equinox appears to outperform CTX on mid-conductive targets (nickels, brass, gold). Not sure if Minelab is working on a multi IQ-based version of the CTX, with all the bells and whistles, which would kind of make sense. Note that it would probably be at least 6 mos. to a year before you would see one once the rumors start swirling, but haven't heard anything from industry people I know who would have some knowledge of that.
    Last edited by vferrari; Mar 27, 2019 at 07:24 AM.
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  3. #3
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    Nov 2012
    Maryland
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    I would wait for the 1000 since you don't go in the water. You have to figure all the manufacturers who are worth anything will be competing for the upcoming Christmas market.
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  4. #4
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    Aug 2013
    OC, CA
    XP Deus, Equinox 800 & 600 720i Stealth Scoop
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    Id get a 600 and use it for backup or for just comparing target IDs with the CTX. Having a second detector is always a good idea. With the discounts I’ve been reading about you could probably pay off a 600/800 fairly quick. Good luck!
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  5. #5
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    Keep the CTX and wait for the next machine or at least next FW release. The alkaline pack is your spare. Save your money for something that is no question better. This is just my opinion although I really wish I was as content with the 800 as some are. There is risk that you will be disappointed. You know if your coil gets over the target you’ll hear it, so force yourself to be content for now.
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  6. #6
    Charter Member
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    Jul 2015
    Near Ground Zero for Insanity
    XP Deus with HF Coils and Mi6 Pinpointer/ML Equinox 600/800/ML GPX 4800/Garrett ATX/Fisher F75 DST/Tek Delta/Whites MXT/Garrett Carrot/Piranha Relic Shovel
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    I agree wait for something better to come along. Too many equinoxes out there for my liking. The fewer equinox users I see out there the better.
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  7. #7

    Feb 2017
    Pa
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    Quote Originally Posted by vferrari View Post
    I agree wait for something better to come along. Too many equinoxes out there for my liking. The fewer equinox users I see out there the better.
    Lol, true
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  8. #8

    Dec 2016
    Connecticut
    CTX 3030
    30
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    Some very interesting replies to my question, and thanks for each of them. It's a difficult decision, parting with good money and not knowing if you will be spending it wisely.

    Minelab surprised me by not replying to my email expressing my displeasure at the price of the CTX compared with the low price of the 800 and that the 800 does about as well as the CTX and in some situations, does more. And more, that the CTX has not had an upgrade to it's logic or computing hardware since 2016 and what are they doing for the owners of the CTX.

    No reply shows a bad work ethic in this regard and a lack of respect for their customer. As they are currently making what I think are the best detectors being sold today, I either have to continue to use what I have or buy an Equinox or wait it out till the next product rolls out. But I've come to have a dislike of how they treat their customers and wish another company would pull the next best thing.

    Here's my non Nox related thoughts on that... I have been spoiled by the company that makes my Ham Radio, and I guess I compare their customer ethic with what I expect from other niche companies who make the tech products I use. There are Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu, those are the big three companies making Ham Radios. It's like a Mine Detector, you buy it, you use it till the next better radio comes out in a couple of years and then you sell your radio, buy the new one and the cycle repeats. But that also floods the market with good used radios and why buy a new one when so many good old ones are out there? But, again, when you buy a new one, it is what it is forever. My radio is by a small USA company called Elecraft.

    With the Elecraft radio that I have, they do frequent updates to the software based on customer request and engineering improvements. And on the company's email forum, the two owners are present every day and directly reply. Better yet, they are constantly upgrading their hardware and sell the improved modules to the customer and with each hardware upgrade, that gets put into their current production line. Some hardware mods have to be done and if the user doesn't want to do that, the factory will. Finally there were so many upgrades to the radio they renamed it from K3 to K3s but all the K3s hardware will fit into the K3 and make it the same. I have a K3 from 2007 and a K3s from 2018 and though I bought some options to add to the K3s, my K3 & K3s are the same.

    I compare that to Minelab who hasn't done any electrical/software anything to the CTX since 2016 and I can't get a read on what is likely to be the best choice with my next purchase.

    Thanks for the thoughts about why I should get an 800, springtime is here and it is definitely time to detect!
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    So much to learn, so little time.

  9. #9
    us
    Jan 2017
    Western ny
    equinox 800, Whites mx sport, Garrot carrot, bounty hunter time ranger
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    Only benifit I could see is if you have some really super trashy sites to hunt. getting one with a smaller coil could open them up, as Vferrari said with higher recovery speed.
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    Tommy

    Dec 2015
    Ann Arbor
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    This was a great post
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  11. #11
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    Nov 2012
    Maryland
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    Yes, A2coins said it well. A very good post. Sometimes I go with a different brand of machine. What one machine lacks, the other brand makes up for. And it is always good to have a backup machine. And all my sites are not the same.
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    TerryrSoloman.com

    May 2010
    White Plains, New York
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    Put that NOX 600 in the trunk. You'll never look back!

  13. #13
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    Seek & Ye Shall Find

    May 2006
    Midwest ILL
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    Great Thread.. Im still on the fence about buying an 600/800 Nox Im still using my Dinosaur Sovereign ..which I dont have any problem finding goodies with ..Time is my main problem last 3/4 yrs ..Lifes challenges gets in the way of my hobby !..
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