A Storm Comin

Minstrel

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A Storm Comin'

A Storm Comin'


.....who thinks there's a storm comin'.......

I received this from my long-time Nat'l Guard E-8 Iraq vet. His comments
are include under the "Cynical Bob" section. My comment is -- "Buy yer ammo
now, 'coz it's disappearing as fast as it shows up on the shelves, and
prices are going up as fast as you can believe."

If you think it's bad now, and are saying "It could be worse", all I can say
is "Be patient -- it will get worse."

Keep yer heads down, folks....

Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:56 AM<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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Subject: FW: Note From a Cop


From a Columbus , Ohio , Deputy Sheriff and 29 year veteran Law Enforcement
Officer. His personal info is at the bottom of the message.


Disclaimer: This is not intended to be political; rather the observations of
a veteran police officer, and are forwarded for information only to this
group of current and former law enforcement professionals.


Note from a Cop


The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack Obama
as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled with the
election of a Democrat majority in both the U.S. House and Senate, concern
for the United States and personal safety has ignited like a fire in dry
grass.


Sales of guns - black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns (particularly 9mm)
everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have literally flown off of
dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of 2009, have I seen the display
samples of ARs begin to reappear on the wall of my favorite shooting
emporium after the initial post-election rush.


Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the major
suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that, ammo is in the
shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my shooting life. Have
you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380 ammo?


Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black gun
buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting concealed carry
permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient .380 handguns like the
fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of the Ruger LCP, my gun store
only had a small supply of ONE .380 round on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain
SXT, which they had just gotten in. Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round
review of that pistol. There was none other to be found.


The 5.56mm was the first caliber to noticeably be in short supply. This was
first due to the war effort, the headlong adoption of 5.56mm rifles by law
enforcement agencies ever since the great LAPD bank robbery and shootout,
the general shooting public interest in and acceptance of the AR15 weapons
system along with a realization that yes, the AR does have sporting purpose,
and of course now, this new fear that is on the street. Sales of ARs also
went up following 9/11.


What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the average
citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me is an almost
shocking source: street cops.


Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies - rural,
suburban and metro - in my area are scared. Cops that before November 2008
never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or more
importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that didn't
generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond keeping
track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn't even do that so
well.


The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to not
carry a weapon off duty on a regular basis- but not anymore. They don't
scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and the United
States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs, survival gear,
and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of them (or I should say
"us") have been discussing and have been acquiring guns to provide a layered
perimeter defense.


We want something in .308 (or in my case a superb M1 Garand in .30-06) for
covering the outer perimeters, 5.56mm weapons for mid-range use (for some
with more limited funds, the AK-47 and 7.62×39 cartridge will suffice), and
for the close up stuff shotguns and handguns (love my Benelli M4 Tactical
and Beretta 92 9mm).


What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to boil
down to four areas.


-First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time I
look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive coming
out of the Obama administration and this Congress. New tax schemes,
government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen defense force
(Whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?) equipped with
funding similar to our military, forced voluntary "service" after
retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of illegal and criminal
aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu scare as well as government
forced closing of thousands of privately held Chrysler and GM dealerships,
which will be the final nail in the coffin for these companies and the list
goes on and on.


But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can't see
the full impact of these actions yet, but we don't know what was added into
the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead of night yet. I
predict however that when the plans contained in the stimulus packages go
into effect, a lot of us are going to be surprised if not shocked by what
has suddenly and sweepingly changed.


-Second: What also scares us is the well-founded fear that there is an
assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban appear like
a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s and the Clinton
years: the rise of militia groups, the "black helicopter" rumors and
paranoia, all of which was motivated by the Brady Law and the Assault
Weapon's ban. What if a new ban comes requiring registration or confiscation
and turn-in of banned weapons as what happened in Australia ?


I watched cops and citizens alike purchase these guns at $900 dollars and
more, with custom or tricked out guns easily running into the $2,000 range.
Then add on all the accessories, red dots, lights, slings and anything else
you can name and you may have up to $3,000 wrapped up in your rig. I saw the
looks in their eyes. These purchasers weren't spending this kind of money
just to turn in these guns for no compensation when a government tells them
to. I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road.

Americans are citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or
Australians. They don't always obey the law blindly and not one officer or
citizen that I spoke to said anything like "I hope I get to keep this gun
for awhile before they are banned. They are fun to shoot, so I would hate to
give it up." It isn't going to happen, so the cop on the street and the
soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do if the orders come
down. I think you all understand what I am saying here.

Cynical bob sez: They'll do the same thing the police did in New Orleans in
2005: ignore the Constitution and the rule of law in favor of "we're in
charge and must be the ONLY ones with power," seize all the weapons from
private citizens in their homes and leave them defenseless, with absolutely
no legal basis to do so.

Sorry, but believing the police (or the Army), much less the ACORNistas will
step back, decide this is an unlawful order and throw down with the people
is the fantasy of a six-year-old boy playing Rebellious Private with his
buddies. This is the era of the fully militarized, no-knock, no-think,
shoot-the-dog-on-the-way-in, we're takin' 'em down because somebody told us
they were bad, us-versus-them police.

http://www.catostore.org/index.asp?fa=ProductDetails&method=&pid=1441318 -
Cynical bob.

-Third: Which leads me to the third fear: there is a revolution coming; yes,
a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution. You can hear
this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by even the big name
hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution against the U.S. government is
being discussed, albeit very gingerly and fleetingly and as something to be
avoided, which it is. I never heard this mentioned in the 90s.

One of my quietest, low profile officer friends brought it up the other day.
He said that at some point in the near future, he felt there is going to be
an armed revolt if things keep going the way they are. Something has got to
give. I was shocked. Yes, I had heard this from some of my more radical cop
friends in the past, but to hear it from a guy like this was unprecedented.
Now, these guys are not saying this will happen to foment revolution, preach
sedition or to even participate. They just want to be ready if it happens,
to at least defend their families, because number four on the fear list is
general societal chaos.

- Four. Cops fear for their parents, wives, children or grandchildren more
now than ever before. Most cops are encouraging their spouses and loved ones
to get concealed carry permits. Not only that, but some of these same cops
are buying gun mounts for their personal cars so they can carry an AR in the
family ride at the ready all the time. They are also strapping on heavier
forms of off-duty hardware. I have other friends that are issued ARs or
subguns for tactical team use, who always have their gear with them and are
planning on just commandeering these weapons for personal use in defending
hearth and home.

Final Notes

This is pretty heady and maybe even dangerous stuff. Know fully that I am
not advocating anything here. I am reflecting to you what I see and hear
going on around me, and maybe saying things that haven't been said in the
open, until now. It is something to think about.

Written By Scott Wagner, a Police Academy Commander and Professor at
Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio , and Commander of the 727
Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and
current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County
Sheriff's Office SRT Team.


"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we
can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of
socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

- Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

This country, with all its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit
it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can
exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary
right to dismember or overthrow it.

- Abraham Lincoln

We are SO screwed.......
 

nova treasure

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Re: A Storm Comin'

Wow, this thread may not make it long :dontknow:.

I will keep with the title, in any storm everyone should prepare for it, just like being stranded on a mountain. I hope everyone uses there knowledge and beliefs to protect themselves during any crisis.

Nova Treasure
 

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Cappy Z.

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Re: A Storm Comin'

America will survive the continuous selling of FEAR by whoever is selling it. We are a great nation of thinkers. We who think are the ones who voted. We stand by the constitution and the beliefs of our founding fathers. Historically war mongers and liars used the wholesale commodity of FEAR to distort truth and the belief in a civil society. The media was controlled and as was education to sew the seeds of FEAR and hate mongering. I believe America will survive and in fifty years people look back and understand in their hearts and minds that We The People rose to the occasion and our great Democracy still will stand.

Peace.

BB
 

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Re: A Storm Comin'

selling fear??? wake up bro... de nile is not a river in egypt.
Wow. I am not sure where to start. minstel very inteligent writing. my biggest fear is what can we do,,, since we are in this together.. I am 49, and have a few experiences of government lying to us... the first I can remember is "you can't send your child to school unless they are immunized" Boy what a crock of crap. lets inject a healthy kid with virus so they can be immmune?? (no the viruses were not dead) when the truth is , yes they have to let you go to school.
just one lie
Geesh how did we get here,, greed mostly. lack of organized religeon. how about that, give more money to the church, to get your loved ones out of limbo, and for some more money they will tell you they are in heaven
and the preist can help the little boys learn about god.
lets see how much money did chaney make in this war, oh yea haliburton was his wifes company ,, after all there are no weapons of mass distruction, bush was misinformed. there are at least two people FREE saddam hussien, is free. and oh yea ossama binladen is free.. and who was it suggested timothy mcvay was a patriot I am not as educated as some folks,,, most folks. But dont pee on my back and tell me its raining. . as for the new orleans mess,,, we are with the government , and we are here to help. give us your guns. wow, so so very sad. I do pray , I pray daily. not sure what I pray to. god for lack of better term I pray for guidance. I give thanks for my health. and I even pray for our elected officals to be given guidance. seems to me money is getting in the way of god. well guess I got off topic, not much of a writer, too many thoughts going round and round. the doctor says I can leave as soon as I figure out the last blotter image
 

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Re: A Storm Comin'

the sky is falling, the sky is falling, they're going to take my guns, they're going to tax me to death, they're going to...............B@ll SH%T. who do you think is making money off of all this sensationalism ?
all the conspiracy theorists are freaking people out with their claims of doom and despair.
we have a new president that they don't like and a news source (fox) that twists everything around to make it sound bad.
maybe congress needs to implement a fair reporting act
 

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Re: A Storm Comin'

So far so good in my neck of the woods as well. :thumbsup:
Of course we keep stocked up on ammo just in case.
Better to have it and not need it, than the other way around.

GG~
 

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Re: A Storm Comin'

my local walmart as of yesterday, had over 5000 rounds of 9mm. I bought 2 boxes for plinking
 

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