How fast are you going, if you sit still in a moving galaxy?

[mikeofaustin]

Perhaps, if one can believe so big, that technology will one day exist that we can put a steering wheel on entire orbiting planets like the moon, and use the gravity of that mass, to solve the acceleration problem that exists when trying to 'accelerate' to other solar systems. The creation of gravity, after all, is actually what keeps us on this planet that is actually traveling threw the galaxy at thousands of light years a second. OF course, the inertia 'swing' from the galactic arm is not as intense, but it is there... so, as long as we have the inertia along with our own gravity from our own planet, we'll still think that we are still very stationary in our universe.

In other words, even if you calculated the speed of the planet earth spinning around the sun, and you're sitting there in your armchair... the sun itself is spinning a thousands of miles a second. around the center of our galaxy. And, our own galaxy is traveling at very very speedy numbers, in respect to other galaxies. So, despite your trying to sit still in you're armchair, you actually going very fast, all thanks to a very small planets gravity called earth. the earth is only here because of our burning sun. Our solar system is only existent becuase of the sun. It follows the sun... and the sun itself, it traveling at super speeds in our not only our galaxy, but space itself.

So, what an we do to travel to other planets. First of all, we need to learn how to create gravity.... or, how to drive planets to our needs... or, to create a mass, that counteracts the effect of 'acceleration'.. Because acceleration is a very big problem. We will never solve the problem of interspacial travel without knowledge of this.

[Frankn]

Lets make it simple. I am driving down the highway at 60MPH. I look in my rear view mirror and see a bee flying in the car. Speed is relative to your surroundings! You could say he was flying at 2MPH in relation to the car or you could say that he was flying at 62MPH in relation to the road. So you see all things are relative. This story is paraphrased from one of my physic profs.
As far as Gravity is concerned, It is a force pushing us to the earth not one of earth attraction. Gravity is still not full understood, but with the latest theories, it is the compression of the web of space by heavenly bodies. Frank

[mikeofaustin]

Yep, and in addition, orbiting satellites, because they don't experience as much gravity as us on earth, their clocks are actually faster than the clocks on earth. Somehow, gravity slows down time. I often wonder... if one were to fall into a black hole, where gravity is greater and greater and time would slow more and more, would the person ever reach the center because his time is slowed more and more,... or, would he be able to witness the end of space itself because his personal time frame would be greatly accelerated.

Perhaps, because we witness time as a reference to earths gravity, maybe, a black hole is just a a great vast extension to more and more space... simply becuase time goes slower and slower as you get closer. Perhaps the size of a black hole itself is much larger, on the inside, than the actual galaxy that it holds together, but we don't see it, because distorts space itself. If you think about it, perhaps the black hole has an interior that is infinite, but, because it doesn't allow any light to escape (again, time related) we perceive it as a 'center' of a galaxy.

Now that's a head-scratcher.

[Jeep]

So let's see if we can do this.

The earths rotation is about 0.5 km/s at the equator

The earth moves about 30 km/s in orbit around the sun

Solar system moving about the galaxy "upstream" around 230 km/s half the year so add 30=260 more km/s and the other half "downstream" 230-30= 200 km/s. so lets just assume 230 km/s

Then add in the motion of the galaxy of the local group of about 20 galaxy's, about 40 km/s and add that to the motion of the local supercluster of galaxy's about 600 km/s

30 km/s + 230 km/s + 40 km/s + 600 km/s = 900 km/s

Good thing we have "gravity"

Pretty fast while your sitting in your easy chair

[Jeep]

Hey Mike,

You might be interested in some of these theories concerning black holes. He has some very interesting papers published.

http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~nipoplaw/

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

sheesh, you gents trying to make me feel stupid? Shaddup Beth / Roy.

Don Jose de La Mancha .

p.s. just where does the theory of black holes fit into the holistic Universe thought?

[Lady Liberty]

Okay. So explain why after drinking half a bottle of Patron my head spins one way and the ground spins another. Shouldn't they cancel each other out?

[Jeep]

Okay. So explain why after drinking half a bottle of Patron my head spins one way and the ground spins another. Shouldn't they cancel each other out?

Lady,

Here's your answer:

http://scienceline.org/2011/02/why-d...hen-i’m-drunk/

[Jeep]

sheesh, you gents trying to make me feel stupid? Shaddup Beth / Roy.

Don Jose de La Mancha .

p.s. just where does the theory of black holes fit into the holistic Universe thought?

Interesting observation Don.

Though I like string theory, more and more papers are being written on the holistic cosmology theory.
I try to keep an open mind and have been reading some papers from some other researchers that propose a different school of thought.

Here's a few:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Smolin

http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/astro/people/JoeSilk.htm

[Frankn]

Some of these theories are WAY out there. As I picture the first one, our universe is like one pearl on a chain of pearls linked by collapsed black holes. Wild thinking based on the fact that we actually know nothing about black holes. They appear, when viewed by telescope to be blank areas in the sky. Things that pass behind them disappear and then reappear after passing, but some things appear to be drawn into that blank area never to reappear. Not much food for thought. No I don't even claim to be a scientist, just an original thinker. Frank
PS: I think, when our sun burns out, the black hole will still be a mystery followed closely by 1 million theories.

[Jeep]

Some of these theories are WAY out there. As I picture the first one, our universe is like one pearl on a chain of pearls linked by collapsed black holes. Wild thinking based on the fact that we actually know nothing about black holes. They appear, when viewed by telescope to be blank areas in the sky. Things that pass behind them disappear and then reappear after passing, but some things appear to be drawn into that blank area never to reappear. Not much food for thought. No I don't even claim to be a scientist, just an original thinker. Frank

Black hole 101:

http://www.odec.ca/projects/2003/cho...nteresting.htm

[Jeep]

Just for fun, amazing hubble pics:

http://www.google.com/earth/explore/...ubble20th.html

[Frankn]

just viewed blackhole 101. I think this is one of the 1million theories I mentioned in above. It states that a black hole is made of material that has been smashed to "0" volume and that it can not be seen. I began thinking about the King's new clothes! lol Frank

[mikeofaustin]

0All of our current theories about black holes and space are mostly derived from our own space-time. We truly have no idea, and that's actually the only thing that what we really know. So, as one person here mentioned, as we look at the black hole in a tele-scope, things disapear and re-appear. Now, the reasoning for this is that light will not escape the gravitation pull of a black hole... So, we at least thing we have that down.... But, becuase we have never been remotely near a black hole, we really are only guessing to what happens.

My theory is that, as we enter closer and closer to the black hole, and, because time slows down more and more... you have to wonder, if we, on earth, are in our own very black hole... reason? Becuase we can't see anything past a certain area of space... does that mean it doesnt' exist? OR does that mean that we can't see their light because we are on a different space time, where their light can't reach us, becuase we are already in a significant well of gravity.. a well so large that we don't even know that we, ourselves, are circling a black hole. Think about it... we can see things around the black hole, but, nothing beyond ourselves. We think that there is nothing else paste our own galaxy. But, we know that there are other galaxies out there... but, are they, too, on the same time scale that we are on. IF there were a solar system very near the black hole, would they be able to look back at us and see that we were there? Or, would they think that 'their' galaxy, only extends 'so far'. head scratcher..

Perhaps time itself is much more vaste than we can imagine. perhaps time is like a rubber band that we can only comprehend as being a very short stretch, but in fact, it streaches a million fold to what we are able to witness with our tools given to use in the last 100 years (we are only currently 50 years 'smart' compared to the age of the universe, given our 'tools'. THink of were we will be, in our understanding in 500 years from now. The age of the our own earth... heck, the age of humans are barely a few million years old compared to the age of the universe... and if you really thing about it, just 1 million years ago, we as 'humans' were thinking that we would 'never' be able to cross that river to the other side. But today, we not only cross the river, but we also ask ourselves... How will we ever cross the galaxy to that other solar system.

[spartacus53]

As far as Gravity is concerned, It is a force pushing us to the earth not one of earth attraction. Gravity is still not full understood, but with the latest theories, it is the compression of the web of space by heavenly bodies. Frank

Close but wrong Frank.......

There is no gravity, the earth sucks

[Immy]

Yep, and in addition, orbiting satellites, because they don't experience as much gravity as us on earth, their clocks are actually faster than the clocks on earth. Somehow, gravity slows down time.

Does it? Seems like gravity slows the mechanisms we use to measure time, rather than slowing time itself. Did any astronauts notice this discrepancy?

[Jeep]

Yep, and in addition, orbiting satellites, because they don't experience as much gravity as us on earth, their clocks are actually faster than the clocks on earth. Somehow, gravity slows down time.

Does it? Seems like gravity slows the mechanisms we use to measure time, rather than slowing time itself. Did any astronauts notice this discrepancy?

Wiki explains:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_a...tem#Relativity

[packerbacker]

Seeing as bees only fly 15 to 20mph, I'd say, catch that bee that is flying 60mph and sell it on ebay and forget about all this other stuff. There isn't so much as a breeze outside right now so I figure that we only travel through space "sometines". On the really windy days is when we're cruisin'.
Where do I pick up my MENSA application??

[Immy]

Where do I pick up my MENSA application??

Mike, you're so

[mikeofaustin]

Where do I pick up my MENSA application??

Mike, you're so

I wish I were... I just think about this stuff way to often sometimes.