Dependant or Independant,where are you?

[worldtalker]

Strange,Where is this in mainstream media? THINK for yourselves folks. God Bless Chris 55 Percent Of Americans Believe That The Government Will Take Care Of Them If Disaster Strikes

 

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[Chadeaux]

Always think of this passage when I read thost things:

And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?

Mountains generally symbolize "governments".

 

[Catobra]

Thanks a lot, Chris-I was just starting to recover from my "Beck" days.....JOKING! But seriously folks, this is some crazy sh*t and if (when?) it ever hits the fan, most of us are pretty much doomed. Thanks for posting the article.

 

[Michigan Badger]

The dependency thing will grow much worse in the near future. If we go deep to the root reason we see our great mistakes. While we've made many since 1776 there are a few that sealed our doom.

1. Slavery. Had it not been for slavery we wouldn't have had a Civil War and we wouldn't have 1/10 the problems we have today. Americans would be much better off financially and physically. There is no doubt but that slavery was the very worst mistake this country made. This one alone has sealed our eventual doom.

There are several more but they would only create trouble here so I'll not list them.

Dependent? Yup! This country is programmed for socialism of the highest order and nothing can change that now.

 

[Chadeaux]

1. Slavery. Had it not been for slavery we wouldn't have had a Civil War and we wouldn't have 1/10 the problems we have today. Americans would be much better off financially and physically. There is no doubt but that slavery was the very worst mistake this country made. This one alone has sealed our eventual doom.

Don't necessarily agree, but then again I am from the south (although Native American) and have looked at the causes of the Civil War. The greed of the north is always ignored when northerners discuss this topic. If the south had industrialized machinery to accomplish the work, there still would have been a war. It was over money and power. Slavery was used as the ruse to get the backing of the people.

Personally, I believe a greater mistake was made in the genocide against the First Nations on this continent. Without them fighting against the English in the Revolutionary War for independence, you might still be bowing to Her Majesty in Great Brittain.

The Cherokee gave many lives in fighting with Andrew Jackson against the Creek. Junaluska brought 500 of his warriors to the fight and even risked his own life to save Andrew Jackson's life from a Creek who was about to slay him. What was their reward? The Trail of Tears.

Many Cherokee I know today still will not accept a $20 bill in payment for anything --- because it bears HIS picture.

 

[austin]

Don't necessarily agree, but then again I am from the south (although Native American) and have looked at the causes of the Civil War. The greed of the north is always ignored when northerners discuss this topic. If the south had industrialized machinery to accomplish the work, there still would have been a war. It was over money and power. Slavery was used as the ruse to get the backing of the people.

Personally, I believe a greater mistake was made in the genocide against the First Nations on this continent. Without them fighting against the English in the Revolutionary War for independence, you might still be bowing to Her Majesty in Great Brittain.

The Cherokee gave many lives in fighting with Andrew Jackson against the Creek. Junaluska brought 500 of his warriors to the fight and even risked his own life to save Andrew Jackson's life from a Creek who was about to slay him. What was their reward? The Trail of Tears.

Many Cherokee I know today still will not accept a $20 bill in payment for anything --- because it bears HIS picture.

You are correct. SECTIONALISM caused the Civil War. North and South developed differently and the war was over money, power and the basic lifestyles. Slavery played a part, but your assessment is correct. At least that's the way I taught it in college...

 

[Michigan Badger]

Actually all comments made do make sense and I agree but it has to do with perspective. I don't believe slavery was the only cause of the war but had it not been I think eventually the differences would have been worked out without bloodshed.

Also the wrongs done to the Native Americans has added to our problems there's no doubt about that either.

But my point is the thing that took us as a country beyond the point of no return. That thing (I personally believe) was slavery, or to be more precise, the long-term affects of slavery. My comment was not meant to blame the south because there were slaves on both sides.

Slavery was the sin of both sides with the south leading for obvious reasons.

But again, it's not slavery per se but the affects of it that has destroyed us (today, as time passes other failures will get us).

I just deleted about half of this post due to concerns about certain comments being misunderstood. But if one will look at the facts one can see why slavery has destroyed us. It interjected into our society a state of mind, and that state of mind is what has sealed our doom.

This is far too complex to comment on here so I'll leave the topic.

But I think most could somewhat agree to this, America today is very much divided and will become even more so in the future.

 

[Chadeaux]

But my point is the thing that took us as a country beyond the point of no return. That thing (I personally believe) was slavery, or to be more precise, the long-term affects of slavery. My comment was not meant to blame the south because there were slaves on both sides.

Slavery was the sin of both sides with the south leading for obvious reasons.

But again, it's not slavery per se but the affects of it that has destroyed us (today, as time passes other failures will get us).

You may be getting closer. I believe we are talking about the long term "COSTS" of entitlements.

It is a problem among many of my people too. When you take away a man's incentive to work to provide for himself and his own, you take away his pride. When you give them the necessities of life without requiring any work, they become as domesticated animals and no longer work.

The problem is, just as a wolf can never be truly domesticated and may one day take your life, humans cannot live as "pets" --- they eventually become dangerous animals to themselves and their "owners". We see that today in the housing projects and reservations.

 

[Michigan Badger]

You may be getting closer. I believe we are talking about the long term "COSTS" of entitlements.

It is a problem among many of my people too. When you take away a man's incentive to work to provide for himself and his own, you take away his pride. When you give them the necessities of life without requiring any work, they become as domesticated animals and no longer work.

The problem is, just as a wolf can never be truly domesticated and may one day take your life, humans cannot live as "pets" --- they eventually become dangerous animals to themselves and their "owners". We see that today in the housing projects and reservations.

Yes, if I could post my entire thesis I'm sure you would agree. It's difficult in such a short prose to communicate ones ideas on what (at least on the surface) seems to be a highly complex subject.

I'll end my input by suggesting a study of statistical facts. These facts (not just opinions) are why we're in a financial and political mess today. The key is to go deep beyond present symptoms to the root cause. The problem with most is they focus mainly on symptoms. Your mentioning the Native American error is a case in point (I mean you went to the root cause).

But as for entitlements, today a giant number of people need social security benefits to survive. Take them away with no option and what will they eat...tree bark? It has been observed that in general people don't starve gracefully. And too in another 20 to 30 years many young folks now vehemently apposed to social security will need it for their own survival due to the failure of many investments and other factors.

The entitlements aren't the root problem. The misuse of them is. Millions of hard working Americans paid into that fund all their lives and they deserve thier benefits.

What stinks is the fraud in welfare, medicare, etc. And the illegal alien issue is beyond comprehension.

Also today we have over two million in our prison/correctional facilities. A study of the facts there is a real eye opener.

Here's a link for starters:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5009270&page=1

 

[Frankn]

What it boils down to is simple. For every war,or dispute there are really TWO causes. The immediate cause and the underlying cause.
As for the Civil War, Slavery was the immediate cause, But the underlying cause which was the real cause was STATES RIGHTS. The South saw that the federal government would try to assume all power in the future. Were they right?

 

[rockhound]

I agree to some extent, but the main cause of war is money and greed. We fight wars today for the same reason, war makes for a bustling economy. Without it many industries would not survive. Although we ultimately pay the price for it through taxes, we make and use many more products than we would normally use. The U S is now policing most of the world, and we are giving aid to 72 countries. Some are even against us, but we give them maoney also. Without this money, many countries would not exist long. The sheeple of the U S will one day wake up, but it may be too late. Good Luck. rockhound

 

[FarmerChick]

slavery was not the main reason, it was just thrown into the situation.

come on ya'll know that slavery was everywhere, in every country. even the tribes enslaved other tribes, and caught other tribes to sell/trade to the white people.

------but witht the original post, you are right. too many ARE dependent NOW on the country. why do you think we are declining at a rapid pace? Too many bloodsuckers on the system and the system can't correct it now. We are in deep crappola and when it hits the fan it is going to be horrible.

the govt. will help---I think this is one of the stupidest statements I ever hear!!

 

[Michigan Badger]

I think my point got totally missed. I tried to emphasize the long-term results of slavery, not the actual historical account.

It was via black slavery that we got a powerful catalyst for far left liberalism in this country.

Think about it.

Our founding fathers came here for religious and political freedom.

Africans were stolen from their loved ones and forced to come here.

Most who came here sought prosperity.

The Africans were treated as property.

There was a time when Africans couldn't vote or use the same restrooms as white folk. And that wasn't that long ago.

Finally Africans were allowed to do what whites do. But they do it with a totally different mindset for obvious reasons. They want all they can get and they (yes, there are exceptions) have no special sentimental feelings about our founding fathers and the early founding of this country (I wonder why?-sarcasm).

In fact, many Native Americans feel the same way (I wonder why?-sarcasm).

By forcing a great people to come here against their wills and in essence forcing them (by depriving them of educations in those early formative years of the nation) to depend on outside assistance we created our own mess.

Most people think discrimination is a thing of the past. Not too long ago I was down in Smyrna Tennessee having brunch with the owner of a certain company. We were chatting and a well dressed black man and woman walked in. The guy I was seated with spoke out loudly and said: N____, everywhere you go today, n____! I was so embarrassed I wanted to crawl out of the place. However, most everyone else thought it was funny.

Now before someone jumps in with the obvious, yes, I realize that all Americans need to pull their own and we should all seek independence. However, the fact of the matter is, slavery (and many other factors old and new) have doomed us financially.

But on the bright side, the day will come when these issues will be worked out as I've stated in other posts. But I fear it will get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

 

[FarmerChick]

of course the past of a country will affect its future. always will.

the whole country is not just in trouble because of dependency on the govt. the govt. spends. spends foolishly. the amt of govt bank accounts just flop money around and around and around and it ends up in foreign hands. at some point the game is going to collapse.

welfare, social security, unemployment funds, disability payments ---all this is caving the country from within, while outside spending sources are collapsing us as well.

eh, we screwed

 

[Michigan Badger]

The government's mismanagement of things has gotten us into this mess. Our elected representatives need the backing of the people in order to stay in office and people favor individuals who can give them what they (we) want. If the people don't get what they want, eventually that elected person gets the boot.

So there is this constant pressure to please the majority, that is, the people group(s) who carry the most clout politically. So politicians go to school to learn how to talk a lot and really say nothing. If one speaks too clearly one people group will see that they're in line to get screwed and so they won't vote for that person. This is why a candidate must never been perfectly clear. So politicians talk and the people aren't sure what they said. The media then steps up and tells the public what was said. That is, the way the media wants it said.

Our government is programmed for failure because our politicians are unlike the signers of the Declaration of Independence. They're worried about their own skins. But a hireling government can't please everyone and give everyone everything they want. But that is precisely what has been attempted.

Think of America as a nest of baby birds all with their mouths wide open looking for a handout. If they like their prestige and money, our elected officials must keep feeding the biggest and loudest baby birds. But there comes a day when there's no more worms in the can, so ta speak.

If we could have kept the quality of leadership we had in the early days of this country we would be much better off today. Those who took office would have taken a stand no matter what. But today, election time in the U.S. is the biggest farce in the world. We get the same old propaganda and the baby birds buy it because each thinks he's getting what he wants. The key is "thinks he's getting what he wants."

 

[Chadeaux]

One must keep in mind that the Founding Fathers saw government only as a necessary evil.

By and large, the Founding Fathers were anarchists - and thus tried to place sufficient restraints on the government to avoid it becoming too powerful.

The Bill Of Rights is a good read.

Our paid government, staying way too long in offices to which the leeches have elected them, has fought long and hard to overturn all of those documents beginning with the constitution.

They are so far succeeding. All need to consider whether they are contributing to the loss of liberty by their electoral choices.