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    Quote Originally Posted by lastleg View Post
    I'll betcha he will have a mailbag full of marriage proposals when he hits the block.
    Cell block...
    Yep. Bubba bought him with a pack of smokes....
    (That was wrong, right?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AU24K View Post
    How do you feel about self defense? How about our military who kill "enemy?"
    Just wonderin'....

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    are you sure you want to know ?
    I'm not so sure I should say.

    If someone were to invade your space or Mine, I do feel we have a right to self defense.
    if i killed someone in self defense, or protection of a loved one, I'd hope for forgiveness from my peers,
    but would have a next to impossible time forgiving myself.

    military who kill "enemy" : here is where I get nervous.

    In my Book the enemy is the person who is not on their own Property at the time of the Conflict.

    I Still feel sorry for the mentality of anyone who can go to someone else's property,
    act holier then though & Kill someone they don't know, then claim self defense.

    Apologies to anyone who takes offense, just stating my feelings,
    not pushing my belief system on anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff of pa View Post
    are you sure you want to know ?
    I'm not so sure I should say.

    If someone were to invade your space or Mine, I do feel we have a right to self defense.
    if i killed someone in self defense, or protection of a loved one, I'd hope for forgiveness from my peers,
    but would have a next to impossible time forgiving myself.

    military who kill "enemy" : here is where I get nervous.

    In my Book the enemy is the person who is not on their own Property at the time of the Conflict.

    I Still feel sorry for the mentality of anyone who can go to someone else's property,
    act holier then though & Kill someone they don't know, then claim self defense.

    Apologies to anyone who takes offense, just stating my feelings,
    not pushing my belief system on anyone.
    Jeff,
    I agree that to take another human life is traumatic....however, certain conditions must be considered. Situations including protecting yourself and loved ones is justified. Anyone who glorifies taking a life is an idiot. A tenet of life is to appreciate life and do everything possible to protect life.

    As a veteran of our country's military, I swore an oath to protect the life and Liberty of my fellow Americans and had no problems with taking lives to fulfil my promise.

    As far as self defense, I will protect my life and yours from anyone who has ideas of depriving me, you or your family from life.

    'nuff said. I don't really want to get too deep into this line of response. I hope that you understand....

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    "Squeeze a trigger."

    The actions of a police swat member?
    A military sniper?
    A delusional nut?

    Weapons kill.
    People will kill if that is their desire. They will use sticks and stones. How was Abel killed?

    Who has these weapons? Why? How?

    The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides the right to "Bear Arms..."

    Our Fathers wrote into the constitution the right to bear arms.
    TO PROTECT this young nation against foreign invaders. In fact, I think that it was REQUIRED for citizens to own weapons!

    Our Dear founding Fathers never dreamed that these (modern) arms would be used against our fellow citizens. Nor did they dream of such firepower as automatic capabilities or the results of nuts.

    I believe in the Second amnendment and will fight for it's defense, however, Who needs a 100 round magazine or auto weapons to deer hunt?

    Recently, the media and folks desirous of American decline have advocated stringent gun control.....
    Just 'tween you and me, We need this type of fire power to protect ourselves from (Political comment removed) take over!


    Viva Second Amendment!

    Gun Control= hitting what you aim at!

    And...that's all I have to say about "Gun Contol."

    An American Patriot,
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    Gun control has been a big issue for a long time. Unfortunately whenever something like this happens some of the more staunch anti-gun types go crazy. If you stop and think about it is better that he had guns instead of building a bomb (which he was obviously capable of) and killing everyone on the block. They have enough laws already but there is always going to be criminals and loonies that will get their hands on them. This guy just happened to get them before he was on any kind of list preventing him from buying them. Deer hunting is almost a religion around here but I know several guys that can't go anymore because of their record and compared to Holmes they are choir boys.


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    Umm...
    I have no desire to turn this into a political discourse, so, y'all carry on...

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    Back to the original question (which had nothing to do with politics etc.)

    "We" can't forgive.
    Only those he has wronged can forgive him.

    Also, forgiving is not about negating the need for punishment, it is merely about forgiving.
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    forgiving is about coming to terms with his actions....it does not ever mean you accept what he has done and he should be punished accordingly.

    I think sometimes it takes time to come to terms with others actions, then forgiveness can come into play. No one can forgive right away without truly thinking thru the actions of the issue/drama/killings. Time is needed to process the action.

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    I wouldn't. He is obviously sane. He was an A+ student all through school. But on a $3000.00 a month income only god knows how he got the weapons.
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    As for the insanity claim, all of us are at times insane. One can be a genius one moment and insane the next. There has been much discussion over the decades about what exactly is so-called sanity? If everyone were insane, then insanity would be normal, and thus, sane.

    Not being normal is exactly what everyone seeking fame zealously pursues. Come visit my favorite place MoMA (modern art museum) and you'll see paintings worth millions that were done by persons far from normal.

    The real question here is not a question of sanity or insanity. That argument has always been a farce. It's really a question of justice. What should we expect when we do that which destroys another person's life simply because we felt like it? If we take someone's life via premeditated murder shouldn't we expect to receive the same back at us? This is what is known as justice.

    The lack of real justice in America is partly to blame for our continual fall. Almost everyone today admits America is going down, but for some strange reason almost no one considers the reasons why.
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    when you PLAN to kill you are not sane. simple as that AND if anyone thinks different you need to seek help.

    clearly a person who opens fire on the masses and plans it 'gee, kinda has a problem' don't ya think.

    the person should not be allowed out of prison ever, not executed. because to me if you are planning a mass murder you are not right in the head. so you shouldn't be 'taken to the extreme' cause you are brain damaged of some sort obviously.

    if you kill your girlfriend in a moment cause she slept with someone, then hang 'em high cause we can't just act on impulse to that extreme. if we did there wouldn't be anyone on the planet except the last idiot that hasn't gotten anyone to kill him 'just yet' LOL

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    What about the guys (or women) that plan the death of their spose for insurance, to get the kids, so they can have a new partner or whatever, are you saying they are insane because they "planned" the killing? That's like saying you aren't a thief if you plan the robbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packerbacker View Post
    What about the guys (or women) that plan the death of their spose for insurance, to get the kids, so they can have a new partner or whatever, are you saying they are insane because they "planned" the killing? That's like saying you aren't a thief if you plan the robbery.
    LOL They were out of their Mind, in fear of loosing their Kids

    Of course they were Insane.

    As for your second part, a Thief is not all there mentally also.
    there is a reason they steal, planned or not. it's either Desperation
    or mental health issue.
    Both forms of Insanity.
    a Klepto is a mental issue.

    some people know right from wrong, some have mental issues
    that block that knowledge. or the ability to care.

    again Insanity shouldn't necessarily be a way out,
    but I don't think sane people plan murders.

    If a person who kills was sane when they did it,
    they must have had a Good Legit reason,
    & should not be arrested in the first place.
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    I'm not so sure Jeff. If someone were to kill a child or grandchild of mine, as far as I'm concerned, it would be a "Good, legit reason" to kill that person but, according to our "laws", it's not. According to ME, it is; even if I plan their death, I feel it's good enough reason. I guess I could claim "temporary insanity" were I to kill this person immediately but, what if I were to be alive 30 years from now and the person were to get out of prison? I would STILL kill that person. Does that make me insane or can I claim that the other person's act drove me to permanent insanity? Most would say I hold a grudge too long but I'd disagree. I'm one of those "old school" guys; an eye for an eye you know. I could care less about forgiving, understanding, letting go, getting over it, finding peace and all that other bull, they would pay with their life as painfully as I could make it. Call me crazy..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by packerbacker View Post
    I'm not so sure Jeff. If someone were to kill a child or grandchild of mine, as far as I'm concerned, it would be a "Good, legit reason" to kill that person but, according to our "laws", it's not. According to ME, it is; even if I plan their death, I feel it's good enough reason. I guess I could claim "temporary insanity" were I to kill this person immediately but, what if I were to be alive 30 years from now and the person were to get out of prison? I would STILL kill that person. Does that make me insane or can I claim that the other person's act drove me to permanent insanity? Most would say I hold a grudge too long but I'd disagree. I'm one of those "old school" guys; an eye for an eye you know. I could care less about forgiving, understanding, letting go, getting over it, finding peace and all that other bull, they would pay with their life as painfully as I could make it. Call me crazy..........

    If the state did it's job you shouldn't have to kill any such murderer. The state would properly execute him so you wouldn't have to involve yourself in that. You shouldn't have to do it.
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