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  1. #1

    Feb 2008
    Never Know I May Live Next To You!
    GTI 2500/Bounty Hunter
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    This is a bunch of horse crap!!! I didn't know much of any states making it illegal to collect rain water!

    Boy just another burocrap thing that the "graberment says they own"

    Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water

    Many of the freedoms we enjoy here in the U.S. are quickly eroding as the nation transforms from the land of the free into the land of the enslaved, but what I'm about to share with you takes the assault on our freedoms to a whole new level. You may not be aware of this, but many Western states, including Utah, Washington and Colorado, have long outlawed individuals from collecting rainwater on their own properties because, according to officials, that rain belongs to someone else.

    As bizarre as it sounds, laws restricting property owners from "diverting" water that falls on their own homes and land have been on the books for quite some time in many Western states. Only recently, as droughts and renewed interest in water conservation methods have become more common, have individuals and business owners started butting heads with law enforcement over the practice of collecting rainwater for personal use.

    Check out this of a news report out of Salt Lake City, Utah, about the issue. It's illegal in Utah to divert rainwater without a valid water right, and Mark Miller of Mark Miller Toyota, found this out the hard way.

    After constructing a large rainwater collection system at his new dealership to use for washing new cars, Miller found out that the project was actually an "unlawful diversion of rainwater." Even though it makes logical conservation sense to collect rainwater for this type of use since rain is scarce in Utah, it's still considered a violation of water rights which apparently belong exclusively to Utah's various government bodies.

    "Utah's the second driest state in the nation. Our laws probably ought to catch up with that," explained Miller in response to the state's ridiculous rainwater collection ban.

    Salt Lake City officials worked out a compromise with Miller and are now permitting him to use "their" rainwater, but the fact that individuals like Miller don't actually own the rainwater that falls on their property is a true indicator of what little freedom we actually have here in the U.S. (Access to the rainwater that falls on your own property seems to be a basic right, wouldn't you agree?)

    Outlawing rainwater collection in other states

    Utah isn't the only state with rainwater collection bans, either. Colorado and Washington also have rainwater collection restrictions that limit the free use of rainwater, but these restrictions vary among different areas of the states and legislators have passed some laws to help ease the restrictions.

    In Colorado, two new laws were recently passed that exempt certain small-scale rainwater collection systems, like the kind people might install on their homes, from collection restrictions.

    Prior to the passage of these laws, Douglas County, Colorado, conducted a study on how rainwater collection affects aquifer and groundwater supplies. The study revealed that letting people collect rainwater on their properties actually reduces demand from water facilities and improves conservation.

    Personally, I don't think a study was even necessary to come to this obvious conclusion. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that using rainwater instead of tap water is a smart and useful way to conserve this valuable resource, especially in areas like the West where drought is a major concern.

    Additionally, the study revealed that only about three percent of Douglas County's precipitation ended up in the streams and rivers that are supposedly being robbed from by rainwater collectors. The other 97 percent either evaporated or seeped into the ground to be used by plants.

    This hints at why bureaucrats can't really use the argument that collecting rainwater prevents that water from getting to where it was intended to go. So little of it actually makes it to the final destination that virtually every household could collect many rain barrels worth of rainwater and it would have practically no effect on the amount that ends up in streams and rivers.

    It's all about control, really

    As long as people remain unaware and uninformed about important issues, the government will continue to chip away at the freedoms we enjoy. The only reason these water restrictions are finally starting to change for the better is because people started to notice and they worked to do something to reverse the law.

    Even though these laws restricting water collection have been on the books for more than 100 years in some cases, they're slowly being reversed thanks to efforts by citizens who have decided that enough is enough.

    Because if we can't even freely collect the rain that falls all around us, then what, exactly, can we freely do? The rainwater issue highlights a serious overall problem in America today: diminishing freedom and increased government control.

    Today, we've basically been reprogrammed to think that we need permission from the government to exercise our inalienable rights, when in fact the government is supposed to derive its power from us. The American Republic was designed so that government would serve the People to protect and uphold freedom and liberty. But increasingly, our own government is restricting people from their rights to engage in commonsense, fundamental actions such as collecting rainwater or buying raw milk from the farmer next door.

    Today, we are living under a government that has slowly siphoned off our freedoms, only to occasionally grant us back a few limited ones under the pretense that they're doing us a benevolent favor.

    Fight back against enslavement

    As long as people believe their rights stem from the government (and not the other way around), they will always be enslaved. And whatever rights and freedoms we think we still have will be quickly eroded by a system of bureaucratic power that seeks only to expand its control.

    Because the same argument that's now being used to restrict rainwater collection could, of course, be used to declare that you have no right to the air you breathe, either. After all, governments could declare that air to be somebody else's air, and then they could charge you an "air tax" or an "air royalty" and demand you pay money for every breath that keeps you alive.

    Think it couldn't happen? Just give it time. The government already claims it owns your land and house, effectively. If you really think you own your home, just stop paying property taxes and see how long you still "own" it. Your county or city will seize it and then sell it to pay off your "tax debt." That proves who really owns it in the first place... and it's not you!

    How about the question of who owns your body? According to the U.S. Patent & Trademark office, U.S. corporations and universities already own 20% of your genetic code. Your own body, they claim, is partially the property of someone else.

    So if they own your land, your water and your body, how long before they claim to own your air, your mind and even your soul?

    Unless we stand up against this tyranny, it will creep upon us, day after day, until we find ourselves totally enslaved by a world of corporate-government collusion where everything of value is owned by powerful corporations -- all enforced at gunpoint by local law enforcement.

    Learn more: Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water
    If I was President; I would take away welfare! I wouldn't make any bargains with foreign countries! I wouldn't take #@*& from any country! I would close the borders! I would get rid of taxes! I would make EVERYONE own at least 5 guns! I would ENFORCE Finders Keepers Law !!!!!!!!

  2. #2
    WolfPack member

    Aug 2009
    New Hampshire
    Garret Master hunter Cx Plus
    6149 times
    The Truth
    Welcome to the forth Reich,ive known about this for a while but never posted it.
    Infowarrior and dieselram94 like this.

    ďA manís rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.Ē

    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth
    becomes a revolutionary act. -- George

  3. #3
    Feb 2008
    Bounty Hunter Landstar
    963 times
    I've known about this for a long while too . Refreshing to find a thread that doesn't have a firearm attached to it , yet.
    My take on it is the same as my response to local DNR over invasive wild animals they want to regulate . If it is YOURS , then GET IT THE HELL OFF MY LAND ! Once it crosses the property line , I'll decide the disposition of your property .
    dieselram94 likes this.
    Wolfpack forever

  4. #4
    Vagabond, Traveler, Writer and Treaure Hunter

    Dec 2012
    Talihina, OK
    White's MXT
    6 times
    Metal Detecting
    One of the reasons I moved to SE Oklahoma. Gotta prepare the fort! Big government is creating a ridiculous environment just begging for a revolution.
    Infowarrior likes this.

  5. #5
    WolfPack member

    Aug 2009
    New Hampshire
    Garret Master hunter Cx Plus
    6149 times
    The Truth
    Ahhh another awake member,congrats Vagabondy
    Infowarrior likes this.

    ďA manís rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.Ē

    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth
    becomes a revolutionary act. -- George

  6. #6
    Aug 2009
    (on the dry)Minelab ETRAC, backup x-terra 305.(in the wet ) Minelab Excalibur II
    187 times
    Unfortunately Truckin' it's a "political" thread without a gun attached to it....and therefor against TH rules! (apparently)

  7. #7
    Charter Member
    Jul 2006
    Orlando, Fl
    Minelab_Excal_1000 Minelab_Sovereign_GT Minelab_Safari Minelab_ETrac Minelab_CTX-3030 Whites_Beach_Hunter_ID Fisher_1235_X
    25432 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by Dano Sverige View Post
    Unfortunately Truckin' it's a "political" thread without a gun attached to it....and therefor against TH rules! (apparently)
    Dano, your trying my patience.... It is not my rules, it is Admins/owners rules for Treasurenet...

    "You may not.... Start a thread to specifically promote or discuss politics or religion or respond in a political or religious fashion to a post if it's not somehow tied to treasure hunting."

    Your comment is an attack on me as a moderator which violates our rules, you do not want to go there again..... Keep your comments on how forums are moderated off the forums per our rules, you want to comment on the way forums are moderated do it via PM with other members or with admins/moderators....
    PLEASE READ OUR RULES. CLICK HERE TO READ ------> TreasureNet.com Rules

    When you legislate a person's rights away a piece at a time naive citizens don't notice...

    The Patriot Act is anything but patriotic, denying citizens our freedoms and privacy in the lie of government security is allowing evil to win.. I will take my chances with the terrorists over tyranny...

    Si vis pacem, para bellum "If you want peace, prepare for war!



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