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    You're wrong again Chad, as usual. When this all started gun advocates were asked to participate in helping to find a solution to better gun control measures. But naturally, even in light of the Sandy Hook massacre of innocent, defenseless children, these gun advocate groups simply refused to take any part in helping to find a better means to prevent such things in the future. All they wanted to do was to point the finger of blame to this or that. They took no responsibility whatsoever, not even as caring human beings. The door was open, they had a chance to walk through it, they refused. They refused because they did not want anything to do with responsibility, they just wanted to keep being allowed to do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. So, since they simply refused to take part in trying to help the situation, the only practical solution is to make responsibility an underlying factor by way of liability. Poor decision making has even turned public opinion against them, many gun owners today refusing to have anything to do with advocate groups like the NRA. These groups have painted their fate simple because it is obvious that they don't care who gets killed or how, they just want to keep on leaning the second amendment as means of doing for themselves. Well, ok then, here you go, keep doing just as you want to do, the way you want to do it. But just remember, now you reap what you sow. It is a brilliant stance/position to take. As a gun owner you should have no problem with being responsible for the guns you may own, unless of course, you feel you may actually do something irresponsible with them.

    And Chad, negligence has to be established and proven, and if there is no negligence, then why all the fear?
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    And one more thing to consider Chad, the tobacco industry flat out lied and hid evidence about the secondary effects of smoke and the effects of the product they produced. This is what made them liable, responsible. Today they are still in business and smokers can still buy the product. So your example is actually, once again, in full support of the position I have been taking on gun control all along. Guns will still be made, you will still be able to buy them, but now there is just going to be more responsibility involved, as there should be. Thanks for helping me to point this out by your own example.

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    Scoop, if ANYONE needs to explain how illegal guns get onto the streets, can we start with the Obama-appointed Attorney General of this country? Just askin'. The good-ol-boy attitude is alive and well in Washington and they are all above the law. Now let me ask another question. Which of the recent shootings would have been prevented if they had photos of the guns, stool samples, blood samples, pictures of the gun owner, fingerprints, mother's maiden name, a one-gun limit, a street sign saying no guns allowed, etc, etc, etc. NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HELPED! Do you think an armed teacher or two could have changed things in the school shooting? I do and so does the NRA. You said the NRA didn't care about anything or anyone, just themselves. Let me point out here that they suggested guns in the schools but "the other side" DOES NOT WANT TO LISTEN! THEY are the ones that don't want to protect anyone except their own in their private, ARMED schools. I'm glad to hear that some school districts are considering arming some of their staff. I've also heard that gun purchases have soard in the areas these crimes were committed. Aparently the citizens in these areas are convinced that the only way to protect yourself from these nutjobs is to have a gun handy. They don't feel these silly restrictions and requirements they want to place on gun ownership is going to help either. They just want to appear to be controlling crime to their voters as they buy more votes with my taxes in the form of food, homes, phones, rebates, medical care, unemployment and on and on. I thought it was illegal to buy votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packerbacker View Post
    Do you think an armed teacher or two could have changed things in the school shooting? I do and so does the NRA.
    . . . and so does What's His Name in the White House. Why do you think there are 11 armed guards PLUS secret service people at his kids schools?

    If he doesn't agree, then put them in a PUBLIC SCHOOL along with all the other kids their age to prove how safe it is.
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    I don't think public opinion has turned against guns. It is just presented that way by the mainstream media. Bigscoop, I think you are severely underestimating the support for guns and the second amendment. The next few days will prove me right. It is our right to own guns ......period.
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    gun makers are to blame for the wilflul misuse of their product by nuts ? ok by that"twisted" logic --car makers are to blame for making the cars that drunk drivers use to kill folks with , butcher knife makers are to blame for folks going nuts and stabbing folks to death with the knifes they make , baseball bat makers are to blame for folks beating others with the bats they make --where does it end -- everyone who makes a item that "some one " uses to attack another being with will be "liable"-- rather than just say --uh its the person who "misused" the items fault , theirs and rtheirs alone --of course the trial lawyers do not want that --the little man has no cash , there will be no "jackpot" lawsuits then.

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    bigscoop, your 2 posts above were some of the most well thought out responses I have seen yet in this "ongoing" debate. He totally schooled all of you. Bravo!
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    He totally schooled all of you.
    Only on how to be blind and naive into thinking that its going to stop there
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    Bigscoop, do you REALLY think a gun company can stay in business when they can be sued for anyone mishandling their products? just think how many fake lawsuits there is now, the gun companies with a target on their back will be slammed with made up lawsuits. After they pay out millions and millions of dollars over and over they will be bankrupt. Not to mention what this will do to the price of weapons and ammo.You tell everyone to use their head, well how about using yours? But you really don't have to stop and think as you already know the answer. Jerseyben, do you really think he "schooled" everyone? did you actually consider what everyone else said? Or did you just applaud Bigscoop because he is on your side? Your from Jersey so I assume you can see the strong arm legislation that this is.....
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    Whenever there is a tragedy or crisis, the extremists come out in full force from both sides to try and take advantage of the situation. The answer usually lies somewhere in the middle.

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    The answer is clear don't touch second amendment!
    Quote Originally Posted by diggummup View Post
    Whenever there is a tragedy or crisis, the extremists come out in full force from both sides to try and take advantage of the situation. The answer usually lies somewhere in the middle.
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    Has it EVER dawned on folks, to teach the proper use of tools, weapons, vehicles, rat poison, ball bearings, etc...... and THEN, if someone CHOOSES to misuse the product, so as to result in murder, BLAME THE PERSON, not the product or manufacturer?
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    none of the guns used at Sandyhook were involved in fast and furious. they were purchased legally, the ammunition was purchased legally, but with a nutcase for a son, the owner of said weapons did not act responsibly and lock them away where the nut case could not get to them.

    Not only that, the insurance business is always looking for ways to make more money, I think Scoop hit the nail on the head.

    P>S> if you read his posts, he is not advocating taking your guns away, no, not at all. He's just letting you know that in order to be a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH YOUR GUN AT ALL TIMES. Does anyone have a problem with responsibility?

    jeez, even I could figure that out.
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    Davest, I would say most gun owners are very responsible with them. I know I am. Fast and Furious was all about creating a crises to do just what obama is going to do with executive order.
    Quote Originally Posted by davest View Post
    none of the guns used at Sandyhook were involved in fast and furious. they were purchased legally, the ammunition was purchased legally, but with a nutcase for a son, the owner of said weapons did not act responsibly and lock them away where the nut case could not get to them.

    Not only that, the insurance business is always looking for ways to make more money, I think Scoop hit the nail on the head.

    P>S> if you read his posts, he is not advocating taking your guns away, no, not at all. He's just letting you know that in order to be a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH YOUR GUN AT ALL TIMES. Does anyone have a problem with responsibility?

    jeez, even I could figure that out.
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    Using this same mentallity then, I have to propose that, every time a paroled convict commits a crime, ALL of the members of the tree-hugging parole board be charged with the same crime as the con. They can sit in prison and all sing kumbyeya (SP?) together. I bet THAT would reduce the number of criminals put back on the streets and, in doing so, would reduce crime. I suppose there are those out there that don't think that is a correct statement either. Just keep fooling yourself.
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