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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    DieselRam: Not quite sure. I was just responding to the title of the thread. I figure with all these opinions running around the odds of his opinion being the one that was "right" are pretty slim. Just playing the odds. Also, he asked for forgiveness. I am a very forgiving person. Not sure what I am forgiving him for, but I do not want him to worry that people are angry with him; so, I figured I would take the safe road and forgive him.
    Now I see. I was just having a confusion moment!
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    If he uses executive order to by pass congress on attacking Constitution he is in direct violation of his oath of office and attacking the Bill of Rights and Constitution with executive orders is treason.

    He and any politician that supports him on using executive orders to gut Bill of Rights are traitors and deserve to be treated and punished as such by all Americans..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Do those lawyers KNOW the US Constitution, Articles & all...?
    Yes, they do. The problem is that The Constitution (that "pesky document" as That Guy refers to it) stands between them and what they want this country to become.

    Hell, you thought slavery was dead? Nah, it's just becoming "multicultural" . . . if "We The People" let the lawyers have their way and destroy those documents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadeaux View Post
    Isn't the same guy who's trying to take away our Second Amendment rights also the one who GAVE guns to the MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS?

    Isn't that guy the same one who gave guns to the Libyan rebels?

    Isn't he the same one giving weapons to Egypt?

    WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? If he doesn't believe in assault weapons (fighter jets are DEFINITELY assault weapons, as are fully automatic rifles and mortars), why is he giving them to everyone else?

    Ssshhhh.... Logic upsets them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treasure_Hunter
    If he uses executive order to by pass congress on attacking Constitution he is in direct violation of his oath of office and attacking the Bill of Rights and Constitution with executive orders is treason.

    He and any politician that supports him on using executive orders to gut Bill of Rights are traitors and deserve to be treated and punished as such by all Americans..
    Why do you think using executive orders violates the constitution and his oath of office? Isn't using executive orders a perfectly legal political maneuver? Like using a filibuster, redistricting, etc. you might not like the "trick" or its outcome but that does not make it illegal. There are certain things that can be done under an executive order and many things that can not. If that can be used to somehow influence guns then that's the trick and what the presidents team is trying to do.

    Just like only congress can "declare war" on another country but presidents (both democrat and republican) have been skirting that pretty basic part of our laws for decades and decades. It's all about finding the "loopholes". I'm not saying its right and I definitely don't agree - but let's not confuse it with legality. The supreme court pretty quickly takes up the case on the legality issue and you better believe every republican etc will be all over anything this administration does. It doesn't do the cause any good to make factually incorrect arguments.

    And as I've said before I'd keep a much much closer eye on the states - that's were the big restrictions will be enacted.
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    Why do you think using executive orders violates the constitution and his oath of office? Isn't using executive orders a perfectly legal political maneuver
    The constitution is the law of the land,any law placed above it is not a law.To violate constitutional law is treason regardless whether its an executive order or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Do those lawyers KNOW the US Constitution, Articles & all...?
    It doesn't matter what lawyers know or can see with their own eyes. They are the Houdinis of law. They are the ones that get paid to make the guilty look innocent. Lawyers are why "Don't bath with this product" is printed on your toaster! Viagra doesn't even work on them; it just makes them taller!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red James cash

    The constitution is the law of the land,any law placed above it is not a law.To violate constitutional law is treason regardless whether its an executive order or not.
    That's just factually incorrect. The constitution is continually interpreted when it comes to new laws. Please tell me why automatic weapons are heavily regulated if your statement is correct?? Isn't that directly contradicting the 2nd? Please tell us how that is was possible.

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    Not it is not incorrect,an executive order is for the executive branch not the legislative branch.You can own automatic weapons with a class 3 license.

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    Here's one to mull over. GodBless Chris http://www.americanclarion.com/16277...st-facto-laws/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red James cash
    Not it is not incorrect,an executive order is for the executive branch not the legislative branch.You can own automatic weapons with a class 3 license.
    But that heavily restricts / impedes and is therefore against the second. And why can't I buy through a catalog. That's against the second. Please explain.

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    Actually it more of an aggravation than a restriction.If you have the money to buy a full auto gun then the money for a class 3 is nothing,200 dollars.Where as a submachine gun or a true assault rifle goes for 15,000 and up.Who says you cant buy guns through a catalog.

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    Solution: Find out where the latest "fast and furious" type operation is going on and tell them you're mexican or iranian or libyan. Might even get you a discount, and no background checks or registration hassles to go through.

    Better yet, tell them you're a rebel against Israel and you can get an assault jet, maybe some drones or one of them 50 cal jobbies like Jesse Ventura used in "Predator". Once again, no hassles . . . maybe even more weapons than you want, and ammo to go with em.
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