Crispin
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First of all: I want to apologize to Packerbacker if I sounded too harsh. I meant no disrespect.
Inspiration for thread:
"I don't think the "obviously" mentally disturbed person is the one we have to worry about. You know, the guys walking down the street ranting and raving to nobody. They aren't involved in mass killings. It's the "quiet" ones. Thing is, say they think they have identified someone with the "percieved" potential of going off. What legal means do they think they have to put this person away or remove their guns? Are you kidding me? If I have guns in my home and they identify someone living with me, or even visiting me, as a potential nutjob, do you think they can control my weapons? As is being discussed now as a means of preventing crimes or suicide, if, for some reason, I had a doctor or "health care provider, ask me if there were guns in my home, I'd tell them it's none of their damn business. Then what? A search warrant? Anyone taking ANYTHING away from me will pay a price. THAT'S the bottom line. The honest citizen can only be pushed so far and then a line is drawn. I am not a member of the huggy/squeezy Mr Roger's neighborhood, I'm a veteran, a hunter, a target shooter, I don't trust law enforcement to protect me as is obvious in the mass killings and I'll not have my rights trampled on because society would rather try to understand nutjobs and criminals instead of putting them away. They have limited the magazine capacity to 10 in California now to be "legal". There are more 30-round mags in this state than you can count. If they were to change it to 7 like the dumba$$es in New York did, I would go to 30-round magazines and forget the 10 round limit. If I'm breaking the law I might as well do it right. I DON'T CARE WHY SOMEONE IS NUTS!!!!"
My response: I live in Florida. Laws vary from state to state. First thing, doctors are forebidden by state law to ask about firearms in your possession UNLESS, you have provided them with reason to believe that you are going to kill yourself or others.
Fact: I have held people who have made these threats held against their will, had their homes searched, and weapons seized. This is not rocket science people. If you have plans on killing yourself or others and tell a doctor then we HAVE to stop it.
I know nothing about clips/magazines and rounds per clip per bullet per whatever. Most psychiatrists have a similiar knowledge base to me. DO NOT BELIEVE THE MEDIA. I can assure you, first hand knowledge, and talking to my colleagues, the last thing psychiatrists want is to be placed in the middle of this. This is what we believe:
1. Serial Murders are as common as winning the lottery.
2. It cannot be predicted, it cannot be prevented.
3. We cannot identify them.
4. Even if we could identify them we would not want the power to lock them up. We do not desire power. We got into this field to help people. To believe otherwise is to fall victim to the mainstream media.
5. We want nothing to do with this discussion...seriously.
Okay, kid gloves are off in this thread. Say whatever you want to whoever you want about this issue. I opened it up...have at it.
Sincerely,
Crispin
PS. Packerbacker, I didn't mean to belittle your opinion. I just didn't want this discussion to occur in the other thread.
Inspiration for thread:
"I don't think the "obviously" mentally disturbed person is the one we have to worry about. You know, the guys walking down the street ranting and raving to nobody. They aren't involved in mass killings. It's the "quiet" ones. Thing is, say they think they have identified someone with the "percieved" potential of going off. What legal means do they think they have to put this person away or remove their guns? Are you kidding me? If I have guns in my home and they identify someone living with me, or even visiting me, as a potential nutjob, do you think they can control my weapons? As is being discussed now as a means of preventing crimes or suicide, if, for some reason, I had a doctor or "health care provider, ask me if there were guns in my home, I'd tell them it's none of their damn business. Then what? A search warrant? Anyone taking ANYTHING away from me will pay a price. THAT'S the bottom line. The honest citizen can only be pushed so far and then a line is drawn. I am not a member of the huggy/squeezy Mr Roger's neighborhood, I'm a veteran, a hunter, a target shooter, I don't trust law enforcement to protect me as is obvious in the mass killings and I'll not have my rights trampled on because society would rather try to understand nutjobs and criminals instead of putting them away. They have limited the magazine capacity to 10 in California now to be "legal". There are more 30-round mags in this state than you can count. If they were to change it to 7 like the dumba$$es in New York did, I would go to 30-round magazines and forget the 10 round limit. If I'm breaking the law I might as well do it right. I DON'T CARE WHY SOMEONE IS NUTS!!!!"
My response: I live in Florida. Laws vary from state to state. First thing, doctors are forebidden by state law to ask about firearms in your possession UNLESS, you have provided them with reason to believe that you are going to kill yourself or others.
Fact: I have held people who have made these threats held against their will, had their homes searched, and weapons seized. This is not rocket science people. If you have plans on killing yourself or others and tell a doctor then we HAVE to stop it.
I know nothing about clips/magazines and rounds per clip per bullet per whatever. Most psychiatrists have a similiar knowledge base to me. DO NOT BELIEVE THE MEDIA. I can assure you, first hand knowledge, and talking to my colleagues, the last thing psychiatrists want is to be placed in the middle of this. This is what we believe:
1. Serial Murders are as common as winning the lottery.
2. It cannot be predicted, it cannot be prevented.
3. We cannot identify them.
4. Even if we could identify them we would not want the power to lock them up. We do not desire power. We got into this field to help people. To believe otherwise is to fall victim to the mainstream media.
5. We want nothing to do with this discussion...seriously.
Okay, kid gloves are off in this thread. Say whatever you want to whoever you want about this issue. I opened it up...have at it.
Sincerely,
Crispin
PS. Packerbacker, I didn't mean to belittle your opinion. I just didn't want this discussion to occur in the other thread.
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