Proof: Armed Citizens Make Good Government

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel, I don't hunt. I DO NOT MAKE ANIMALS SUFFER!

OK, THANKS! Thought you did... by your "post".

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

I'd say he'd crap himself too! Wounded bear,bad juju!!!

NO bear hunter; NO problem...

 

[0121stockpicker]

But why shouldn't fully automatic weapons be completely legalized? Tell me where in the constitution it says I can't have a fully legal auto without the restrictions of almost impossible to get permits??

Can someone answer me this?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Big Head Shrinking Factory there !!

Only need to shrink my hat... they do THAT...?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Three branches,what about the 4th, WE THE PEOPLE,using the 2nd Amendment as the proper check and balance!

Thats fine if that's your own beliefs but where is that concept in the constitution? Again I think I missed that part.

 

[pong12211]

Dmn right it does.. It keeps the balance in this country.. If for one do not want to have a president like Obama that I can't protect my self from.. This manis a danger to this great country and in my opinion just wants more power and feels he will gain it with the disarming of American citizens.. Well guess what in Pa. alone the first day of deer season we have a times a million hunters in the woods with firearms and trust me they know how to use them.. Believe it or not they don't hurt each other.. You hear that Obama one million gun owners in the woods and they don't go around shooting people put that on the news you jackass.. I only pray that other states hold the 2nd amendment as close to their hearts as we do in Pa. Don't want to live in a country where I have no way of protecting myself.. I sure as hell don't want Obama in charge of protecting my home, family and friends.. This is one of our few footholds that keep our govenment in check.. We need to protect it at all costs.. God bless the 2nd amendment....

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Can someone answer me this?

NOT listed as such... it's a modern day "LEGAL THING", I reckon.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Dmn right it does.. It keeps the balance in this country.. If for one do not want to have a president like Obama that I can't protect my self from.. This manis a danger to this great country and in my opinion just wants more power and feels he will gain it with the disarming of American citizens.. Well guess what in Pa. alone the first day of deer season we have a times a million hunters in the woods with firearms and trust me they know how to use them.. Believe it or not they don't hurt each other.. You hear that Obama one million gun owners in the woods and they don't go around shooting people put that on the news you jackass.. I only pray that other states hold the 2nd amendment as close to their hearts as we do in Pa. Don't want to live in a country where I have no way of protecting myself.. I sure as hell don't want Obama in charge of protecting my home, family and friends.. This is one of our few footholds that keep our govenment in check.. We need to protect it at all costs.. God bless the 2nd amendment....

You feel threatened by "O"...?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Dmn right it does.. It keeps the balance in this country.. If for one do not want to have a president like Obama that I can't protect my self from.. This manis a danger to this great country and in my opinion just wants more power and feels he will gain it with the disarming of American citizens.. Well guess what in Pa. alone the first day of deer season we have a times a million hunters in the woods with firearms and trust me they know how to use them.. Believe it or not they don't hurt each other.. You hear that Obama one million gun owners in the woods and they don't go around shooting people put that on the news you jackass.. I only pray that other states hold the 2nd amendment as close to their hearts as we do in Pa. Don't want to live in a country where I have no way of protecting myself.. I sure as hell don't want Obama in charge of protecting my home, family and friends.. This is one of our few footholds that keep our govenment in check.. We need to protect it at all costs.. God bless the 2nd amendment....

Damn right it does...

Great, Pong could you just cut and paste the part of the constitution that mentions that point thanks.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The Truth is Stranger than Fiction

WHAT is "Truth"...? Inquiring MINDS wanna know...

 

[Frankn]

stockpicker, I think the founding fathers that wrote that document stressed that point in there writings. Frank

 

[0121stockpicker]

stockpicker, I think the founding fathers that wrote that document stressed that point in there writings. Frank

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But you guys all claim it is "constitutional" - so where is it in the constitution. I can show you founding father "writings" that would show that the second is dealing with an active militia like allowing the reserves or the national guard to have guns. Now I don't believe that but you can get every interpretation under the sun in people's "writings".

I'm just a stickler for the truth. People should stop claiming that this is "constitutional" because it is not. I just don't like when people throw around completely incorrect statements to try and make a point. I believe in truth in advertising (and debate) for both sides.

 

[Red James Cash]

But why shouldn't fully automatic weapons be completely legalized? Tell me where in the constitution it says I can't have a fully legal auto without the restrictions of almost impossible to get permits??

The permit is the cheap part,200 dollars,the permits arent almost impossible to get,just a very thorough back ground check.The expensive part is the full auto weapon,15,000 plus depending on what you want to buy.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

It is constitutional. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" It has been ruled on many times by supreme court judges, below are just 2 recent rulings, I can get more going back father.


Supreme court ruled in 2008 that 2nd amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms.
The Supreme Court and American Democracy Case Studies and Review andPublic Policy page 423.

Read District of Columbia vs Heller 554 U.S. 570 from 2008 Supreme court room ruling.

McDonald vs Chicago 561 U.S. 3025 2010.

2nd amendment limits states and local governments to same extent that it limits federal government on gun control..

 

[0121stockpicker]

I'm not talking about gun ownership being constitutional. I'm talking about the misguided claim being made that there is a "constitutional right for citizens to bear arms against their own country if they feel that country is not upholding the constitution". It's just an uneducated foolish statement with absolutely no basis in constitutional writing. And justified by taking a few small comments completely out of context - that's all.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Stockpicker, I am sorry, but for me and millions upon millions of others our forefathers left more than enough writtings to explain why they put the 2nd amendment in our Bill of Rights and a large part of it was to defend ourselves from a government of tyranny....... The dates of their writtings tell what was in their minds and intentions at the time it was being written up and ratified, if you can't see that it is a personal issue it isn't because it isn't there....

Constitution went in to effect on March 4, 1789 and the bill of Rights was raitified in 1791...

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”
-Thomas Jefferson

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendmentduring Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists."
- Patrick Henry

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2 Article on the Bill of Rights

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adamsquoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

"We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
-Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.'
"A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."

"what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court

The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
- Albert Gallatin, Oct 7 1789

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Stockpicker, I am sorry, but for me and millions upon millions of others our forefathers left more than enough writtings to explain why they put the 2nd amendment in our Bill of Rights and a large part of it was to defend ourselves from a government of tyranny....... The dates of their writtings tell what was in their minds and intentions at the time it was being written up and ratified, if you can't see that it is a personal issue it isn't because it isn't there....

Constitution went in to effect on March 4, 1789 and the bill of Rights was raitified in 1791...

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”
-Thomas Jefferson

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendmentduring Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists."
- Patrick Henry

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2 Article on the Bill of Rights

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adamsquoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

"We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
-Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.'
"A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."

"what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court

The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
- Albert Gallatin, Oct 7 1789

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

So, Abe, in 1861... said the SOUTH had RIGHT to...

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

So, Abe, in 1861... said the SOUTH had RIGHT to...

Rebel yes Lincoln said that, that quote is from Lincoln's first Inaugural Address on March 4, 1861

 

[dieselram94]

I'm not talking about gun ownership being constitutional. I'm talking about the misguided claim being made that there is a "constitutional right for citizens to bear arms against their own country if they feel that country is not upholding the constitution". It's just an uneducated foolish statement with absolutely no basis in constitutional writing. And justified by taking a few small comments completely out of context - that's all.

Stockpicker, Just what would you suggest as a alternative? fight the govt. in courts THEY control? Protest? Well, I will tell you govt. always get the ruling they want and the leaders don't really care if everyone protests as they will still do what they want. Federal govt. is even tyrannical towards states like Arizona for instance.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel yes Lincoln said that, that quote is from Lincoln's first Inaugural Address on March 4, 1861

LOL! He LIED...?