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    Proof: Armed Citizens Make Good Government

    Proof: Armed Citizens Make Good Government

    The 2nd Amendment is in place to discourage dictators and protect the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

    Aaron Dykes
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    January 22, 2012

    The Founding Fathers agree: an armed population makes good government. Numerous quotes from the revolutionary era make their intent extremely clear — that individuals were meant to keep and bear arms for the protection of the country and the defense of its Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    The 2nd Amendment is in place to discourage dictators and protect the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

    Proof: Armed Citizens Make Good Government - YouTube!

    The Preamble to the Bill of Rights explicitly states that these amendments to the Constitution were put in place to restrain the federal government and discourage abuse. Ratified Dec. 15, 1791, it reads:


    “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. “

    Meanwhile, history has shown that disarmed populations and dictators always go hand in hand, with abusers and seekers of power preferring a people unable to stand up for their rights and easy to trample and dominate.

    Our birthright as Americans is at stake: if we don’t stand up to defend the 2nd Amendment, we stand to let all our other precious rights slip away, from freedom of speech on down.

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    “One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.” - Joseph Stalin

    “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” - Anonymous American adage

    “The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” 
– Samuel Adams

    “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…” – Tench Coxe 1788

    “The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” - James Madison, The Federalist, No. 46

    “Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.” - Joseph Stalin

    “In earlier times, it was easier to control one million people than to physically kill one million people; today, it is infinitely easier to kill one million people than to control one million people.” - Zbigniew Brzezinski

    “Death solves all problems – no man, no problem.” - Joseph Stalin

    “Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” - Joseph Stalin

    “The only real power comes out of a long rifle.” - Joseph Stalin

    “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” 
– Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers

    “Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew’s possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.” - Nazi Law (Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons), 1938

    “Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property… Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
” –Thomas Paine

    “It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

    “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson

    “Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t.
” – Ben Franklin

    “If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.” - Joseph Stalin

    “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson

    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

    “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” 
– Patrick Henry

    “Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense?” – Patrick Henry

    “The right of the people to keep and bear…arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country…” 
–James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)

    “(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” –James Madison

    “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government…” – Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28)

    “To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them.” – George Mason

    “The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” 
– Noah Webster, “An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (1787)

    “A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.” –Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774

    “The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong.” - Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War”, July, 1775

    “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” - Mao Zedong, “Problems of War and Strategy”, 1938

    “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” - Richard Henry Lee, 1778

    “The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.” - Hubert Humphrey, “Know Your Lawmakers”, Guns magazine, February 1960

    “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.” - Adolf Hitler, April 1942

    “If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying — that they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 — establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime.” - Orrin Hatch, “The Right to Keep and Bear Arms”

    “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.” – William S. Burroughs, 1991

    “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
    - George Washington

    “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” – The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution
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    And the wingnuts say "militia"
    how long must we endure such madness?
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    Red - how do you reconcile your thoughts on the " founding fathers ideals" with the Whisky Rebellion? Very quickly our "government of the people" rolled in troops and artillery and CRUSHED poor farmer-citizens just looking to make a little shine because they wouldn't pay taxes to the new federal government.

    What do you think those farmer-citizens thought of their new government.

    Lets not create a mythology of a pure / superior government of the mythological founding fathers that is being trampled by more recent administrations.

    The federal government had strong armed and controlled people from the very beginning. If they did not, you would not have a government - you would have anarchy.

    Not condoning it, but we need to deal with historical fact and not create an American mythology that never existed.

    Best to all.

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    I like that Wikipedia. Read below - sounds very familiar to what's going on today. Different issues but same fight?? Best to all.

    The Whiskey Rebellion, or Whiskey Insurrection, was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791, during the presidency of George Washington. Farmers who used their leftover grain and corn in the form of whiskey as a medium of exchange were forced to pay a new tax. The tax was a part of treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton's program to increase central government power, in particular to fund his policy of assuming the war debt of those states which had failed to pay. The farmers who resisted, many war veterans, contended that they were fighting for the principles of the American Revolution, in particular against taxation without local representation, while the Federal government maintained the taxes were the legal expression of the taxation powers of Congress.

    Throughout counties in Western Pennsylvania, protesters used violence and intimidation to prevent federal officials from collecting the tax. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a U.S. marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise. The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed men attacked the fortified home of tax inspector General John Neville. Washington responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on governors to send a militia force to enforce the tax. With 13,000 militia provided by the governors of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Washington rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency. The rebels all went home before the arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation. About 20 men were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned.

    The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national government had the willingness and ability to suppress violent resistance to its laws. The whiskey excise remained difficult to collect, however. The events contributed to the formation of political parties in the United States, a process already underway. The whiskey tax was repealed after Thomas Jefferson's Republican Party, which opposed Hamilton's Federalist Party, came to power in 1800.

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    The only problem stockpicker is that there is quite a few more than 500 pissed off people in the country.A lot of whats going on isnt really about taxes,its about government corruption.Whats going to happen when just 10% of the gun owners get pissed off enough,that equals out to 8 to 10 million people.
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    But the population of the country was a lot lot smaller back then. But don't you find it interesting that the pres sent an army against its own citizens right after they revolted against the tyrannical British government for taxing them??

    Doesn't look like Washington was a big fan of citizens standing up for their rights vs the federal government?? That certainly make geo Washington as much like hitler, saddam or Stalin than any other president right?? Sending armed troops against its own citizens over some shine

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    Not sure but it would seem that this dispels a lot of these statements about the founding fathers and their thoughts on the freedoms of individuals vs the federal government. If I am misinterpreting history please let me know.

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    Doesn't look like Washington was a big fan of citizens standing up for their rights vs the federal government?? That certainly make geo Washington as much like hitler, saddam or Stalin than any other president right??
    Not on the level such as theyre doing now,going directly against constitutional law.Committing open treason.
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    What is worse than sending the army against your own citizens?? Isn't that everyone's worse fear - government sending the troops out to suppress the population? How can there be anything worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0121stockpicker View Post
    Not sure but it would seem that this dispels a lot of these statements about the founding fathers and their thoughts on the freedoms of individuals vs the federal government. If I am misinterpreting history please let me know.
    We DO know that MOST "Founding Fathers" didn't fight the Brits; Thomas Jefferson didn't, he fled... woulda been HUNG for TREASON...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0121stockpicker View Post
    What is worse than sending the army against your own citizens?? Isn't that everyone's worse fear - government sending the troops out to suppress the population? How can there be anything worse?
    YEP! ARMED, VIOLENT up-rising...

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    Your right,in N.Y. the first day of deer season we got 1 Million people in the trees with guns and in camo ....i`m sure other states have more than 1 mil. God bless them.....Its not about hunting its about Liberty to protect us from our Government
    I haven`t seen a happy gun owner sense the late 70s.....BUT now they are rely pissed off....and thats Dem. and Rep. and the people with scene to be neither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.A.P.metal View Post
    Red
    Your right,in N.Y. the first day of deer season we got 1 Million people in the trees with guns and in camo ....i`m sure other states have more than 1 mil. God bless them.....Its not about hunting its about Liberty to protect us from our Government
    I haven`t seen a happy gun owner sense the late 70s.....BUT now they are rely pissed off....and thats Dem. and Rep. and the people with scene to be neither.
    Gary
    NAW; they were deer-hunting... with ASSAULT WEAPONS...?

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    Stripping citizens of their constitutional rights,due process of law no longer exists right now.Read the NDAA bill.As I have stated in another thread you can be picked up off the street for doing nothing more than walking with your hands in your pockets.
    YOU KNOW MY STANCE,LIVE FREE OR DIE


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    Red i got turned on to talk radio in 1991 with the Bo Gritz show ...Jeff Baker`s Main Street Radio Jack Mclamb up to Alax i do know whats going on .
    It`s funny that these guy`s are 10 years ahead of the so called News....back in 91 when i first heard about all this stuff And then to see it happening all around me made me a b lever.
    So hold on cuz we ain`t seen nuthin yet.
    Gary
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