The American Revolution Started Over Disarmament

[0121stockpicker]

So what's going to happen when the government checks bounce and millions of people run out of everything? It's coming....the tax and spend folks are spending and spending and it will end. Somehow.

One just needs to look at Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain etc.

 

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[0121stockpicker]

The American Revolution Started Over Disarmament.

Infowars.com
January 23, 2013

The American revolution started on April 19, 1775 in response to an attempt by the British regulars to disarm the militia of their stockpiles near Lexington. It became the shot heard ’round the world. The subsequent Constitution and Bill of Rights set up checks and balances, in part as a response to various types of British abuse and interference.

Today, the establishment has openly violated much the Constitution and Bill of Rights, wantonly spied on communications without warrant and staked TSA agents at airports to abuse the traveling public despite the 4th Amendment, and has conducted a long train of abuses. Now it seeks to dismantle the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms, removing yet another important check on government power.

Watch this redux report on the Oath Keepers from 2009

Oath Keepers: American Revolution Started Over Disarmament - YouTube!

As the following special report makes clear, the Founding Fathers all intended for individual Americans to have firearms, to discourage and make impractical the worst forms of government abuse and usurpation:

Proof: The Founders Wanted Americans Armed

Proof: The Founders Wanted Americans Armed - YouTube!

This is what we call " revisionist history" -
the illegitimate distortion of the historical record such that certain events appear in a more or less favourable light.

This is like the folks who say the holocaust never happened.

Always be skeptical !!!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

One just needs to look at Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain etc.

What kind of government do they have, tho...?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

TH - you missed the most important part of the page you copy pasted about a half a page about what you copied near the top.

"This conflict is embodied in one of the rallying cries of the American Revolution: No Taxation Without Representation."


I always like to cite my copies.

Lex/con - Brits were not disarming individual colonists. They were attempting to capture a large cache of weapons and powder. The Brits NEVER went door to door taking people's guns - that's just factually incorrect.

Guys you have to be careful of folks -lets say "messaging history" to prove a current point.

It is estimated that no more than 25-33 of colonists opposed the British with a like number loyalists. And a lot of folks who really didnt care who was running the show.

Those who ignore ( or misquote) history are bound to repeat it.

LOL, you saying there were only 25-33 colonists oposing the British, don't you mean 25-33% of the colonialist population.......?

Now stockpicker show me where in the time-line I posted that it is wrong. It is a time-line, I even posted "time line". I was proving a point that the American Revolution did not start because of the Boston Tea Party, that the tea party was but a single grievance in a long list of grievances, and the ignition was the attempted seizure of the muskets caches and power.... ( Kinda reminds you of right now doesn't it, as there is a long list of grievances, basically about the the same grievances and a government that is trying to seize the peoples weapons)

The Boston Tea Party was but one incident in a long line of issues. The attempted seizure of colonist arms was what ignited the American Revolution , the battles at Lexington and Concord was "The shot heard around the world", it started a chain of events which led to the signing of the Declaration of Independence and our independence from England...

Your can cite your reference if you wish, I never said nor did I imply that was written by me. nor did I ever say, nor have I seen any post here that says the British were trying to seize weapons from homes, in fact I have posted they were trying to seze colonist musket supplies.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I never said the Boston tea party started it - that's a single event. It was the issue around taxation without representation. See my original post. Pure and simple. It was NOT because the Brits were trying to take people's guns. That's just bunk. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I just like to add in a link to where it came from.

Unfortunately now a days the term "fact" has list it's meaning and is now very subjective. Look at the same identical event and then read about that event in the times, wsj, Fox News and msnbc. You would have absolutely no idea they were talking about the same event. And that's the so called mainstream media. Now you got all these whack jobs on the Internet with so called new sites.

Anyone out there who loves knowledge and freedom should be very skeptical. That's all. Just being a seeker of truth for all. Best.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I never said the Boston tea party started it - that's a single event. It was the issue around taxation without representation. See my original post. Pure and simple. It was NOT because the Brits were trying to take people's guns. That's just bunk. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I just like to add in a link to where it came from.

Unfortunately now a days the term "fact" has list it's meaning and is now very subjective. Look at the same identical event and then read about that event in the times, wsj, Fox News and msnbc. You would have absolutely no idea they were talking about the same event. And that's the so called mainstream media. Now you got all these whack jobs on the Internet with so called new sites.

Anyone out there who loves knowledge and freedom should be very skeptical. That's all. Just being a seeker of truth for all. Best.

What I said and I believe what Red said is The American Revolution was ignited by the British attempt to seize the colonists arms......It was the spark, that ignited the tender, that set off the revolution......

 

[releventchair]

Seeing valid points all around. Got to dodge certain issues,but impressed with discussion. Seeing some minds poke through emotion.

 

[jerseyben]

I never said the Boston tea party started it - that's a single event. It was the issue around taxation without representation. See my original post. Pure and simple. It was NOT because the Brits were trying to take people's guns. That's just bunk. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I just like to add in a link to where it came from.

Unfortunately now a days the term "fact" has list it's meaning and is now very subjective. Look at the same identical event and then read about that event in the times, wsj, Fox News and msnbc. You would have absolutely no idea they were talking about the same event. And that's the so called mainstream media. Now you got all these whack jobs on the Internet with so called new sites.

Anyone out there who loves knowledge and freedom should be very skeptical. That's all. Just being a seeker of truth for all. Best.

Amen. People will believe anything...

 

[0121stockpicker]

What I said and I believe what Red said is The American Revolution was ignited by the British attempt to seize the colonists arms......It was the spark, that ignited the tender, that set off the revolution......

You can believe what you want but it's just not a historical fact. I know everyone wants to make the world revolve around gun issues but that's just not reality folks. Not looking for anyone to say they are wrong (I have a feeling there are many here who havnt uttered that phrase in a while). But can we please not completely massacre us history. Learn our past and be proud of it. We don't need to rewrite history to try and make a point.

The original author if the article is making the complete incorrect comparison between the British securing a cache of weapons and the current gun debate. The rev was not about taking individuals guns it was absolutely not a guns rights issue. This is what I have the big problem with because it is not only incorrect but is a lie to try and sway people who don't know any better. If citizens don't know their own history they will believe crap like this.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Amen. People will believe anything...

LOVE that "tag" with Abe...

 

[austin]

WRONG! Started BEFORE the BRITS even came "ashore", over colonies being OVER-TAXED...

In reality, the British Parliament had voted to relax the most protested of the taxes, but the news would not reach the colonies for 3 weeks. It was during that time that the British regulars were sent to Lexington and Concord to do 2 things:
1. Arrest Sam Adams (Sons of Liberty leader)
2. Seize both weapons and ammo(shot and powder) that was stored. This started the
war...

 

[bill from lachine]

Rebel,

A bit of a generality but most of the EU member countries lean somewhat towards the socialist side of things.....pretty hefty government pensions, social security, etc....for the most part too much expenses = not enough revenues to maintain the entitlements......at some point it becomes a bit of a house of cards and the whole thing implodes....

That kind of explains the mess most of the EU community is in right now......

I'm sure stockpicker who's in the financial business can add some more lucidity or further explanations to my simplistic take on this.

Regards + HH

Bill

What kind of government do they have, tho...?

 

[bevo]

Thats why we dont want America to mimic europe.Its a pretty shaky deal,to say the least.

 

[dieselram94]

This is what we call " revisionist history" -
the illegitimate distortion of the historical record such that certain events appear in a more or less favourable light.

This is like the folks who say the holocaust never happened.

Always be skeptical !!!

"Revisionist history", I see you have been to school here as this is what the schools teach these days. Paint the founding fathers in a bad light, tell students how bad the Bill of Rights are, make students worship Obama with songs, teach the kids republicans and Tea party are terrorists, you know the whole package dictated by the dept. of education

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel,

A bit of a generality but most of the EU member countries lean somewhat towards the socialist side of things.....pretty hefty government pensions, social security, etc....for the most part too much expenses = not enough revenues to maintain the entitlements......at some point it becomes a bit of a house of cards and the whole thing implodes....

That kind of explains the mess most of the EU community is in right now......

I'm sure stockpicker who's in the financial business can add some more lucidity or further explanations to my simplistic take on this.

Regards + HH

Bill

OK, THANKS!

 

[0121stockpicker]

"Revisionist history", I see you have been to school here as this is what the schools teach these days. Paint the founding fathers in a bad light, tell students how bad the Bill of Rights are, make students worship Obama with songs, teach the kids republicans and Tea party are terrorists, you know the whole package dictated by the dept. of education

Completely agree but I think both "sides" are guilty. Even fact and history is now "tampered with" to prove a point. That's why I remain an independent skeptical thinker!!

 

[dieselram94]

Bill, the European model just doesn't work. Especially in America. Just how do you like your socialized medicine anyways?

 

[0121stockpicker]

"Revisionist history", I see you have been to school here as this is what the schools teach these days. Paint the founding fathers in a bad light, tell students how bad the Bill of Rights are, make students worship Obama with songs, teach the kids republicans and Tea party are terrorists, you know the whole package dictated by the dept. of education

Actually had first come across the term when seeing a documentary about the people who deny the death camps. It was amazing to see the "proof", "logic" etc around their arguments. Very scary- very evil. But I could see how it could sway some. Many bad people tske advantage of peoples distrust of the government, science, education and can manipulate them into believing all sorts of absolutely crazy things. Very dangerous. Schools need to be teaching their students logic and skepticism. I teach my young girls to question everything!!

 

[0121stockpicker]

OK, THANKS!

Yes, just about every country in the first world is "socialist" to one extent or another. But the countries mentioned about have always had very very socialist governments. I think it's very risky when the government becomes a bigger and bigger part of the economy. And all that $$$ they hand out was just borrowed from others. Just like an individual spending beyond their means for way to long. Sooner or later you pay the piper!!!

 

[dieselram94]

Actually had first come across the term when seeing a documentary about the people who deny the death camps. It was amazing to see the "proof", "logic" etc around their arguments. Very scary- very evil. But I could see how it could sway some. Many bad people tske advantage of peoples distrust of the government, science, education and can manipulate them into believing all sorts of absolutely crazy things. Very dangerous. Schools need to be teaching their students logic and skepticism. I teach my young girls to question everything!!

I think that is great that you teach your girls to be independent thinkers, however just what dangerous things are you refering to?