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    Notice how rebel very very rarely starts his own thread.He's more like a little troll under the bridge that only comes out when he hears the footsteps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayoutalker
    What bothers me is all of these "executive orders" he keeps signing. That is just a way to bypass the Constitution's balance of powers. He really thinks he is above the law and Congress is letting him get away with it.

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    Every pres uses executive orders. Obama has sign far fewer than others. Not saying these are right or wrong just stating fact. No one is getting away with anything, executive orders are a perfectly legal part of the political process. Every president has used them. They have a lot of limitations and restrictions and must follow a prescribed process.

    Again im not saying I agree or disagree with what is going on but it is quite common and very legal with respect to the political process of these United States of America. You don't have to like it but that does not make it illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bevo
    Its hard for me to understand why any American would want gun control.
    gun control will not stop crazies from killing,or stop criminals,or drug use
    or anything else in the fing world.it will only effect law abiding citizens.
    Thats an interesting statement. So guns owned by law abiding citizens are never the cause of unintended injuries or deaths in this country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0121stockpicker View Post
    Thats an interesting statement. So guns owned by law abiding citizens are never the cause of unintended injuries or deaths in this country?
    Unintended injuries and death,I have to say yes,but,a criminal doesn't doesn't UNINTENTIALLY kill someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0121stockpicker View Post
    Thats an interesting statement. So guns owned by law abiding citizens are never the cause of unintended injuries or deaths in this country?
    of course they are !
    they are the cause of premeditated injuries & deaths in this country also.
    but so are cars,
    Knives,
    baseball bats,
    and electric devices thrown, or accidentely knocked into bath tubs

    but outlawing them is not going to end unintended injuries or deaths in this country,
    much less premeditated ones.

    someone who wants to kill will find a way.
    how about Iodine or antifreeze in coffee ?

    or a steep set of stairs ? better outlaw second floors !
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    Stockpicker, no matter what happens criminals are going to have guns. Taking the guns away only empowers criminals
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    Quote Originally Posted by worldtalker

    Unintended injuries and death,I have to say yes,but,a criminal doesn't doesn't UNINTENTIALLY kill someone.
    In 2012 how many deaths or injuries were PREVENTED due to someone protecting themselves with a gun. In 2012 how many accidental deaths and injuries were CAUSED by lawful / legally owned guns. I don't know but the stats are out there might be helpful to get them posted to start framing these discussions with facts and stats instead of emotion and hyperbole. I'm in the middle with my thoughts on the subject but always like to base my belief on as much fact as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff of pa View Post
    of course they are !
    they are the cause of premeditated injuries & deaths in this country also.
    but so are cars,
    Knives,
    baseball bats,
    and electric devices thrown, or accidentely knocked into bath tubs

    but outlawing them is not going to end unintended injuries or deaths in this country,
    much less premeditated ones.

    someone who wants to kill will find a way.
    how about Iodine or antifreeze in coffee ?

    or a steep set of stairs ? better outlaw second floors !
    Easy Jeff,your're getting to common sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0121stockpicker View Post
    In 2012 how many deaths or injuries were PREVENTED due to someone protecting themselves with a gun. In 2012 how many accidental deaths and injuries were CAUSED by lawful / legally owned guns. I don't know but the stats are out there might be helpful to get them posted to start framing these discussions with facts and stats instead of emotion and hyperbole. I'm in the middle with my thoughts on the subject but always like to base my belief on as much fact as possible.

    I honestly don't think stats have anything to do with it.

    only difference in stats would be cause of deaths,
    and maybe an increase in gun deaths by criminals,
    although if citizens are unarmed criminals wouldn't necessarily
    feel they need to shoot, except in the case of witnesses

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    I would think stars on prevented injurys or death are impossible to find as they are impossible to determine.
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    Drones killing Americans - I was under the impression that an American gives up their citizenship by fighting for a foreign army? If they don't they should. Don't we call these people traitors and they deserve a traitors death? Due process does not and has never existed on the battlefield. If some American whack job wants to join up with the Taliban or alqueda he or she gets what they deserve in my opinion. I know this might be a bit over the top for you liberals screaming due process but war is war folks and these people are dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldtalker View Post
    Easy Jeff,your're getting to common sense now.
    I always had common sense, I just have an open mind also.
    I don't just see straight ahead

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselram94
    I would think stars on prevented injurys or death are impossible to find as they are impossible to determine.
    Not really all home invasions or deaths that are deemed justifiable homicide are public record and tracked.

    Maybe someone can just post the other stats of the accidental injuries and deaths.

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    There is also a lot of unreported crime as well as unreported crimes detered by guns as well.
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    General observation - I've always found it humorous that the same event/action is viewed one way under one president/political party, yet is them viewed completely differently under another. Noticed how all those antiwar protests stopped once Obama came into office even though the wars havnt stopped - where are all those protesters and the body count numbers on some news channels. And how people had no problem with drones, gitmo or surveillance under bush but now Obama is continuing the same exact strategy and yet he is a traitor ruining or freedoms?? Both sides do it all the time. Anyone else every notice that strange political double standard?

 

 
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