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    first off I have no intention of being accused of profiling or having no compassion. Maybe they do walk among us. Who else would fear gun's as much as they. And who else would want to take our brains away. I'm sure some of us see people who walk around all day with no clue or direction. except for the thought of changing our direction and just blend in. All of the post's so far have been very enlightening and serious just thought a little humor (which some take it as a insult) would help.


    If a Smurf held it's breath What color would he be? That color would be the states to stay away from. Think I'll roll one.
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    Onfire: Very good question on smurfs. Let me compare this to what happens with humans. When people stop breathing and deoxygenate, evidence can seen by their lips and tips of their fingers turning blue. It occurs in these places because they are the most visible part of the body with the smallest capillaries that attend them. Capillaries are tiny offshoots of arteries. Arteries carry oxygenated blood throughout the body. Oxygen binds to hemoglobin and creates the red color of blood. When hemoglobin exchanges its oxygen it takes on a blue color and returns to the body via veins.

    So, if it carries blood away from the heart it is an artery. If it carries blood towards the heart is a vein. The one exception to this is the pulmonary artery but we really don't want to get into it.

    So, let us assume that the blue color of smurfs comes from melanin. melanin is what is responsible for the variable differences in the skin color of humans; however, all humans (regardless of skin color) show cyanosis without oxygen (ie...blue lips and tips of fingers due to deoxygenation.) This comparison, in and of itself, negates any relation between the smurfs blue outward appearance and what would happen if they held their breath.

    In order to know what would happen if a smurf held his/her breath we have to know the type of hemoglobin they carry and the default state when it is not saturated with gases necessary for survival. If we assume that smurfs breath oxygen then they would simply turn bluer. However, I am not convinced that smurfs breath oxygen. It is very possible that they breath the much more present nitrogen or carbon dioxide. If you could provide me with a blood sample from a smurf then I can analyze the hemoglobin in their blood and provide you with a better answer. Send me a PM and I will let you know where to send the blood sample. Also, placental cord blood will not work. Fetal hemoglobin varies significantly because of oxygen exchange that occurs after birth. If you would like to know more about this in humans then google "hydrops fetalis."

    One more point: Why do zombies fear guns? They are already dead, guns just slow them down. If I was a zombie I would be more afraid of a flamethrower. Immolation is much more permanent then a gun shot wound.

    Thanks for the interesting and stimulating questions,
    Crispin
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    Quote Originally Posted by onfire View Post
    first off I have no intention of being accused of profiling or having no compassion. Maybe they do walk among us. Who else would fear gun's as much as they. And who else would want to take our brains away. I'm sure some of us see people who walk around all day with no clue or direction. except for the thought of changing our direction and just blend in. All of the post's so far have been very enlightening and serious just thought a little humor (which some take it as a insult) would help.


    If a Smurf held it's breath What color would he be? That color would be the states to stay away from. Think I'll roll one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Onfire: Very good question on smurfs. Let me compare this to what happens with humans. When people stop breathing and deoxygenate, evidence can seen by their lips and tips of their fingers turning blue. It occurs in these places because they are the most visible part of the body with the smallest capillaries that attend them. Capillaries are tiny offshoots of arteries. Arteries carry oxygenated blood throughout the body. Oxygen binds to hemoglobin and creates the red color of blood. When hemoglobin exchanges its oxygen it takes on a blue color and returns to the body via veins.

    So, if it carries blood away from the heart it is an artery. If it carries blood towards the heart is a vein. The one exception to this is the pulmonary artery but we really don't want to get into it.

    So, let us assume that the blue color of smurfs comes from melanin. melanin is what is responsible for the variable differences in the skin color of humans; however, all humans (regardless of skin color) show cyanosis without oxygen (ie...blue lips and tips of fingers due to deoxygenation.) This comparison, in and of itself, negates any relation between the smurfs blue outward appearance and what would happen if they held their breath.

    In order to know what would happen if a smurf held his/her breath we have to know the type of hemoglobin they carry and the default state when it is not saturated with gases necessary for survival. If we assume that smurfs breath oxygen then they would simply turn bluer. However, I am not convinced that smurfs breath oxygen. It is very possible that they breath the much more present nitrogen or carbon dioxide. If you could provide me with a blood sample from a smurf then I can analyze the hemoglobin in their blood and provide you with a better answer. Send me a PM and I will let you know where to send the blood sample. Also, placental cord blood will not work. Fetal hemoglobin varies significantly because of oxygen exchange that occurs after birth. If you would like to know more about this in humans then google "hydrops fetalis."

    One more point: Why do zombies fear guns? They are already dead, guns just slow them down. If I was a zombie I would be more afraid of a flamethrower. Immolation is much more permanent then a gun shot wound.

    Thanks for the interesting and stimulating questions,
    Crispin
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    onfire,

    I'm taking the position that you are speaking metaphorically as to what states are pro or anti gun.....just a wild guess on my part.....if that's your opinion so be it...personally I don't have a vote either way.....so just my personal opinion.....at the end of the day your current elected government calls the shots and will vote based on the feedback from the voting public and pretty much any opinion me, you or anyone else espouses is just that.....opinions.

    Insofar as Crispin's comments are concerned.....ever since he visited that other dimension he's got me completely confused......not a difficult task btw......lol.

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    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill from lachine View Post
    onfire,

    I'm taking the position that you are speaking metaphorically as to what states are pro or anti gun.....just a wild guess on my part.....if that's your opinion so be it...personally I don't have a vote either way.....so just my personal opinion.....at the end of the day your current elected government calls the shots and will vote based on the feedback from the voting public and pretty much any opinion me, you or anyone else espouses is just that.....opinions.

    Insofar as Crispin's comments are concerned.....ever since he visited that other dimension he's got me completely confused......not a difficult task btw......lol.

    Regards + HH

    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Elmer Fud and Archer VS Zomdies and Smurfs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Onfire: Very good question on smurfs. Let me compare this to what happens with humans. When people stop breathing and deoxygenate, evidence can seen by their lips and tips of their fingers turning blue. It occurs in these places because they are the most visible part of the body with the smallest capillaries that attend them. Capillaries are tiny offshoots of arteries. Arteries carry oxygenated blood throughout the body. Oxygen binds to hemoglobin and creates the red color of blood. When hemoglobin exchanges its oxygen it takes on a blue color and returns to the body via veins.

    So, if it carries blood away from the heart it is an artery. If it carries blood towards the heart is a vein. The one exception to this is the pulmonary artery but we really don't want to get into it.

    So, let us assume that the blue color of smurfs comes from melanin. melanin is what is responsible for the variable differences in the skin color of humans; however, all humans (regardless of skin color) show cyanosis without oxygen (ie...blue lips and tips of fingers due to deoxygenation.) This comparison, in and of itself, negates any relation between the smurfs blue outward appearance and what would happen if they held their breath.

    In order to know what would happen if a smurf held his/her breath we have to know the type of hemoglobin they carry and the default state when it is not saturated with gases necessary for survival. If we assume that smurfs breath oxygen then they would simply turn bluer. However, I am not convinced that smurfs breath oxygen. It is very possible that they breath the much more present nitrogen or carbon dioxide. If you could provide me with a blood sample from a smurf then I can analyze the hemoglobin in their blood and provide you with a better answer. Send me a PM and I will let you know where to send the blood sample. Also, placental cord blood will not work. Fetal hemoglobin varies significantly because of oxygen exchange that occurs after birth. If you would like to know more about this in humans then google "hydrops fetalis."

    One more point: Why do zombies fear guns? They are already dead, guns just slow them down. If I was a zombie I would be more afraid of a flamethrower. Immolation is much more permanent then a gun shot wound.

    Thanks for the interesting and stimulating questions,
    Crispin
    wow crisp you have better Sh!tt then I had head shots work. but belly button shot's work better. cheers.

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    Dont want to come across as a know it all but actually the lack of oxygen in blood making the color blue is a bit of a myth. When we have our blood drawn it does not come into contact with oxygen yet is red in the vile. Also the veins of an albino are all red. It actually is blue because of light absorption/refraction within the layers of skin making it appear blue. It's funny this came up because the only reason i know was it was part of a podcast I just listen to called 10 incorrect things we are taught in school. Also included was myths about thanksgiving, glass being thicker at the bottom because its a viscous liquid etc. was a pretty good podcast. Sorry for the interruption.

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    yes thats why old glass is wavy. its been sitting too long and has started to drip. New glass has stabilizers in it so this doesnt happen. I wonder if you left a glass cup on a shelf how long it would have to sit there before it actually started to shrink from loosing material at the top to gravity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlowery04 View Post
    yes thats why old glass is wavy. its been sitting too long and has started to drip. New glass has stabilizers in it so this doesnt happen. I wonder if you left a glass cup on a shelf how long it would have to sit there before it actually started to shrink from loosing material at the top to gravity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlowery04
    yes thats why old glass is wavy. its been sitting too long and has started to drip. New glass has stabilizers in it so this doesnt happen. I wonder if you left a glass cup on a shelf how long it would have to sit there before it actually started to shrink from loosing material at the top to gravity.
    Actually that's another on the the myths - I was taught that also. According to the podcast the real answer is the old glass is thicker at the bottom because if the way it was manufactured. Using a glass blower as they did in the old days a globe of glass is blown. It is then spun into a disk by spinning it around. Centrifugal force causes the outer edge to be thicker than the inner part. When the disk is cut into panes of glass there is a thicker and thinner part. People installing the glass would put the ticket part at the bottom for greater stability.

    According to this podcast some professor proposed the old idea because it seemed logical and was a pretty cool idea and everyone just accepted it. Decade and decades later a scientist actually decided to test this theory and completely debunked it. He calculated that with glass is a "liquid" it would take hundreds of millions of years for it to have any noticable changes debunking the old theory. I love hearing stories like this - you learn something new everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0121stockpicker View Post
    Dont want to come across as a know it all but actually the lack of oxygen in blood making the color blue is a bit of a myth. When we have our blood drawn it does not come into contact with oxygen yet is red in the vile. Also the veins of an albino are all red. It actually is blue because of light absorption/refraction within the layers of skin making it appear blue. It's funny this came up because the only reason i know was it was part of a podcast I just listen to called 10 incorrect things we are taught in school. Also included was myths about thanksgiving, glass being thicker at the bottom because its a viscous liquid etc. was a pretty good podcast. Sorry for the interruption.
    You are kinda right. There is a color change when hemoglobin deoxygenates, it is nowhere near as profound as people believe. However, cyanosis occurs due to lack of perfusion and deoxygenation. That is what I was referring to, and yes, lips do turn blue. It is scary. What color would smurfs be if they breathed nitrogen? I'm at a loss on that one.

    Crispin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    You are kinda right. There is a color change when hemoglobin deoxygenates, it is nowhere near as profound as people believe. However, cyanosis occurs due to lack of perfusion and deoxygenation. That is what I was referring to, and yes, lips do turn blue. It is scary. What color would smurfs be if they breathed nitrogen? I'm at a loss on that one.

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