Hmmm, Hegelion Dialectic

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What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

By Niki Raapana and Nordica Friedrich
October 2005

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Introduction: Why study Hegel?​
"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
(1959, page 144)
In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

 

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This appears as a curious attempt to confuse. They mention "The Dialectic" but never explane the entire concept. The dialectic was to explore a philosophical search for truth. I've never seen Hegel pared with Marx before. The concept of Hegel concerned the idea of Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. The thesis equates to the initial argument, the antithesis is the opposing argument and the synthesis is the rational merging of the two. It's the argument of compromise. That the truth is in the synthesis of argument, not the two extremes. Marx borrowed the idea of the dialectic in dialectic materialism but that's not the same as what these two are saying.
When they say "Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides." Well, no kidding. Isn't that what politics does in a Republic?
Again, "Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic". Break time. These two are treating consensus as a bad thing and equating compromise as if it leads to communism. Their rhetoric seems closer to fascism. Why fascism? Because fascism ends arguments.
 

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I actually see the the truth in this article. After many small discussions, one side being more rabid than the other, the middle ground gets moved because one side wearies of the argument. The compromise is moved inch by inch to the Marxist side and through the theme of compromise and getting along the circular argument progresses the agenda.
Thanks Talker!
 

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I actually see the the truth in this article. After many small discussions, one side being more rabid than the other, the middle ground gets moved because one side wearies of the argument. The compromise is moved inch by inch to the Marxist side and through the theme of compromise and getting along the circular argument progresses the agenda.
Thanks Talker!

Dave,Just would be nice if more people woke-up to this!!
 

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Dave,Just would be nice if more people woke-up to this!!

Need MORE campfire coffee... COWBOY COFFEE! It's ALL Ying-Yang to me; ZEN Question... DUALITY! GOOD vs EVIL, LIGHT vs DARK... BBL with MORE Philosophy!
 

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I DID drink ICED Jamaica Coffee, years ago; it MAY have been BLUE MOUNTAIN... dunno.
AND! It WAS good! I miss it!
 

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I actually see the the truth in this article. After many small discussions, one side being more rabid than the other, the middle ground gets moved because one side wearies of the argument. The compromise is moved inch by inch to the Marxist side and through the theme of compromise and getting along the circular argument progresses the agenda.
Thanks Talker!

It's not that ez. Hegel didn't invent/originate the dialectic. It's been around philosophically since at least Plato. It doesn't, as you state lead to Marxism at all. It is all about dialog. Most know the value of putting ideas on the table and going at it. The result will invariably lead to a better ideas. The concept of more minds create a better solution.
What we are experiencing in our government is exactly what the ideas of thesis/antithesis/synthesis attempt cure. It's not about giving an inch as you state, it's about creating something greater than the two extremes can create by themselves.
And the dialog doesn't fit the profile of a circular argument as you state. It's not even close.
If giving the authors their wishes, no one but them would have a voice. Many involved in American politics would like nothing better that to just have their way.
To associate dialog = Marxism is at best ignorant.
 

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Well I will try to take your insult as a compliment! Thanks Buddy!
But you may be circling your thoughts.

Oh yeah,, The Overton Window
Luck to you.
 

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It's not that ez. Hegel didn't invent/originate the dialectic. It's been around philosophically since at least Plato. It doesn't, as you state lead to Marxism at all. It is all about dialog. Most know the value of putting ideas on the table and going at it. The result will invariably lead to a better ideas. The concept of more minds create a better solution.
What we are experiencing in our government is exactly what the ideas of thesis/antithesis/synthesis attempt cure. It's not about giving an inch as you state, it's about creating something greater than the two extremes can create by themselves.
And the dialog doesn't fit the profile of a circular argument as you state. It's not even close.
If giving the authors their wishes, no one but them would have a voice. Many involved in American politics would like nothing better that to just have their way.
To associate dialog = Marxism is at best ignorant.

Actually it goes back to the snake in the garden.
 

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It's not that ez. Hegel didn't invent/originate the dialectic. It's been around philosophically since at least Plato. It doesn't, as you state lead to Marxism at all. It is all about dialog. Most know the value of putting ideas on the table and going at it. The result will invariably lead to a better ideas. The concept of more minds create a better solution.
What we are experiencing in our government is exactly what the ideas of thesis/antithesis/synthesis attempt cure. It's not about giving an inch as you state, it's about creating something greater than the two extremes can create by themselves.
And the dialog doesn't fit the profile of a circular argument as you state. It's not even close.
If giving the authors their wishes, no one but them would have a voice. Many involved in American politics would like nothing better that to just have their way.
To associate dialog = Marxism is at best ignorant.

AGREE! Time for a NEW Paradigm of Thoughts; time for a NEW Paradigm of BEING from the BEST of both concepts. Two colliding circles meeting in the middle, creating a NEW MERGING of thoughts, ideas, ways of BEING... THAT is the NEW Paradigm!
 

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Please don't bring that into this Rebel, he was saying the concept is ancient, that is all.

NOPE! Read "post" # 12, AGAIN! "Actually it goes back to the snake in the garden"... THAT'S the BIBLE; RELIGION.
 

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I read it, You interpreted it in attempt to turn the conversation,, clumsily I might add.
Start another thread with it.
 

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I read it, You interpreted it in attempt to turn the conversation,, clumsily I might add.
Start another thread with it.

NOT trying "to turn the conversation"; were YOU trying to "set up" content(s) of dialogue...? What are the TWO sides here... I see Marxist Communism mentioned in OP. What are the "colliding circles"...?
 

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