California college student teaches school $50,000 lesson

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California college student teaches school $50,000 lesson

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February 25, 2014

A California college student who was blocked last year from handing out copies of the Constitution gave his school a lesson in civics and the law, winning a $50,000 settlement and an agreement to revise its speech codes.





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Robert Van Tuinen was stopped from passing out copies of the Constitution at Modesto Junior College.

A California college student who was blocked last year from handing out copies of the Constitution gave his school a lesson in civics and the law, winning a $50,000 settlement and an agreement to revise its speech codes.

Robert Van Tuinen, 26, settled with Modesto Junior College just five months after his run-in with school officials on Sept. 17 – National Constitution Day. Van Tuinen said he’s more excited about getting the school to revise its speech codes, which previously confined the First Amendment to a small area students had to sign up to use.

“They were maintaining an unconstitutional speech code, and now any of my fellow students can go out and exercise their right to free speech,” Van Tuinen, an Army veteran who grew up in Modesto and now studies photography, told FoxNews.com.

Back in September, FoxNews.com aired the video Van Tuinen took of his confrontation with school officials.

In the video, Van Tuinen is confronted by an unidentified campus police officer within minutes of passing out the pamphlets. When he protests, he is told “there are rules.”

“But do you know what this is?” he asks. “What are the rules? Why are the rules tied to my free speech?”

Van Tuinen explains that he wants to start an organization called Young Americans for Liberty.

“That’s fine, but if you’re going to start an organization like that you have to go through the rigamarole,” the police officer tells him.

"It was a tense situation," Van Tuinen told FoxNews.com. "To be told I can't do something as basic as handing out the Constitution was frustrating."

Eventually, the police officer escorts Van Tuinen into an administrative office, where an unidentified woman shows him a binder with rules she says govern free speech on campus. She explains that there is a designated place “in front of the student center, in that little cement area,” where free expression is allowed, but then notes that two people are already using it.

The episode caught the attention of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which, together with a Washington law firm, took his case to federal court in the Eastern District of California. But by then, school officials had already started backpedaling.

"In the case of the YouTube video, it does not appear that the student was disrupting the orderly operations of the college and therefore we are looking into the incident," Modesto Junior College Marketing and Public Relations officer Linda Hoile told FoxNews.com at the time.

On Monday, the school settled the case by agreeing to revise its policies to allow free speech in open areas across campus and pay Van Tuinen $50,000. Although much of it will go to legal fees, Van Tuinen said he'll happily use what's left to to pay off other bills.

“FIRE is very pleased that Robert Van Tuinen and Modesto Junior College have reached this settlement — and that Modesto Junior College students will now be able to exercise their First Amendment rights across campus,” said FIRE President Greg Lukianoff.
 

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I guess at that college, it's only "free speech" if it agrees with their ideas. Expanding: Apparently anything that doesn't agree with their ideas must therefore be hate speech.
 

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No one told him he couldn't hand out his pamphlets. He has to play by the rules, just like anyone else.

People seem to like to interpret the 1st, 2nd amendment, etc as they see fit.

What it comes down to in this case, it has nothing to do with the kid's rights. It comes down to a kid who thought he should be allowed to do whatever he wants with no consequences.

The whole being awarded a $50,000 settlement just shows that people like this are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
 

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No one told him he couldn't hand out his pamphlets. He has to play by the rules, just like anyone else.

People seem to like to interpret the 1st, 2nd amendment, etc as they see fit.

What it comes down to in this case, it has nothing to do with the kid's rights. It comes down to a kid who thought he should be allowed to do whatever he wants with no consequences.

The whole being awarded a $50,000 settlement just shows that people like this are PART OF THE PROBLEM.

The problem is the college's "rules" violated his and anyone else's free speech.... Any rules, any laws that violates the constitution are null and void...

Should have sued for more money...The school settled because they knew they were going to lose and in fact change their rules.






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The problem is the college's "rules" violated his and anyone else's free speech.... Any rules, any laws that violates the constitution are null and void... Should have sued for more money...The school settled because they knew they were going to lose and in fact change their rules. American by birth, Patriot by choice. I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

TH, agreed, the college's rules do sound unconstitutional. However, that does not give you or I the right to just do whatever we want simply because we do not agree with something. It is up to SCOTUS, etc to make those interpretations.
 

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Maybe that's why the college settled....

If this had gone to the Supreme Court, the 1st Amendment would have be "ratified" once again ( removed by mod)

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TH, agreed, the college's rules do sound unconstitutional. However, that does not give you or I the right to just do whatever we want simply because we do not agree with something. It is up to SCOTUS, etc to make those interpretations.

I disagree, I do not recognize and will violate any rule or law that violates the constitution....

If an military officer says they are quartering troops in my home I will resist, if they say I do not have the right to speak I will speak, if they say any of my firearms are outlawed I will be an outlaw....

It is the duty of every American to refuse to obey any rule or law that violates our constitution..

Instead of following an illegal rule he got it changed, I salute him...:thumbup:
 

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Please keep politics out of thread.....






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I disagree, I do not recognize and will violate any rule or law that violates the constitution....

If an military officer says they are quartering troops in my home I will resist, if they say I do not have the right to speak I will speak, if they say any of my firearms are outlawed I will be an outlaw....

It is the duty of every American to refuse to obey any rule or law that violates our constitution..

Instead of following an illegal rule he got it changed, I salute him...:thumbup:

Well said TH.... And I totally agree. IF an established "rule" is used / enforced to override my constitutional rights I too will resist. Good for this guy for getting it changed.
 

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Well I'm confused if the freedom of speeh overrides rules and laws under private property, then technically if Tnet is hosted on a server in the US, then can rules be enforced ? I mean its the same difference, both are private property..and no I'm not being a smart mule, just trying to figure it out.

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Well I'm confused if the freedom of speeh overrides rules and laws under private property, then technically if Tnet is hosted on a server in the US, then can rules be enforced ? I mean its the same difference, both are private property..and no I'm not being a smart mule, just trying to figure it out. Mike

Mike, I agree. There is a big difference between being in your in own private home versus being in a public place that is run privately. As far as I am concerned, this guy was a guest on the campus. He does not get to have a say in the rules. Oh well...
 

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Well I'm confused if the freedom of speeh overrides rules and laws under private property, then technically if Tnet is hosted on a server in the US, then can rules be enforced ? I mean its the same difference, both are private property..and no I'm not being a smart mule, just trying to figure it out.

Mike

Once again TN is a private business.
Can you walk into a resturant and start yelling obscenities or nail up posters on the wall with out permission? Answer is no....

School was not a private school and even more ironic, it was Constitution Day when it happen.....






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"Mall management also came to the scene when police were talking to Wells and told him they would make accommodations for him to distribute the papers in accordance with the mall’s solicitation policy, police said."

What did he "solicit"?
 

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"Mall management also came to the scene when police were talking to Wells and told him they would make accommodations for him to distribute the papers in accordance with the mall’s solicitation policy, police said." What did he "solicit"?

There is a clear correlation between the OP's story and the citation above.

In both instances, the defendant was given an opportunity to continue to their behavior in a manner that was acceptable to the venue. In both cases, the defendant took it upon themselves to declare their right to ignore the rules at hand and decided that they should simply be allowed to do as they please.
 

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"Mall management also came to the scene when police were talking to Wells and told him they would make accommodations for him to distribute the papers in accordance with the mall’s solicitation policy, police said." What did he "solicit"?
A Hooker???????????
 

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It is not the same at all...!

Mall is private, college is Public they are 2 very different cases....

Why do you think the college apologized and settled before the court ruled and on top gave student $50k? They settled because they knew they were wrong and would lose and the monetary award would have been much higher...

There is no freedom of speech on private property....


What you are advocating is to ignore the violation of the U.S. Constitution until SCOTUS has ruled.... What if they choose to not hear the case for 10 years do the people sit by and have their rights violated for 1, 3, 5, 10 or however many years it takes to get a ruling if ever.....








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