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[RTR]

Good thing I don't live in Fl. or... I would weigh 1,000 pounds.....Steamed with Beer,seasoned with old-bay,and cayenne,parsley.
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[bill from lachine]

Tonight taking the easy way out for supper cheating and having a frozen pizza. They're a bit sketchy on cheese so grated up an extra cup for good measure.

Roasted up some red peppers so we'll have those on the side with maybe some cucumber and an orange.

 

[Msbeepbeep]

Oh yum! The crew is making dinner!

 

[bill from lachine]

Beeps,

Hope you're doing well.

 

[Duckshot]

I just wonder how the Spainards did it. They obviously had a standard, and most likely the allowable deviation was a pretty low amount above the standard because silver is expensive. The United States of America used the Spanish dollar as the standard for our dollar, so the Spainard's standard must have been very accurate. So what was their standard?

If you don't know you don't have to answer....

 

[releventchair]

If you don't know you don't have to answer....

For cobs? It would not seem weight was an issue for quite awhile.
Pardon me if this has been posted recently.
https://www.sedwickcoins.com/articles/colonialcoinage.htm

Worse case , a scale where being minted would suffice.
Even a simple balance scale.

 

[ARC]

Morning :P

 

[Duckshot]

Maybe I did not phrase the question correctly.

By "standard", I mean what makes the Spanish dollar "regular". As in what is the Spanish dollar regulated by?

For instance- the meter is regulated by the distance an object falls in a vacume in one second, this being precisely ten meters. A gram is regulated by the weight of one cubic centimeter volume of distilled water, this being precisely one gram, and a liter is a cubic decimeter or 1000 grams water.

Maybe the Spanish dollar was regulated by the weight of the queen of England's toe nail clippings collected for one year, I don't know. But there must have been a standard to keep all the Spanish dollars stamped out regular size or weight.

So what was it? I'm sure it wasn't as clever as the metric system, using constants such as gravity or specific volumes of water, but their must have been some kind of standard.

Edited to add-

Darn it! I was wrong about the meter, all the television satellite cable signals messing up my memory of high-shcool physics class with something else. The meter is based on one millionth of the distance from North Pole to South Pole.

Pfffft! My idea was better.... : )

 

[bill from lachine]

Interesting video on permaculture in India.

 

[ARC]

Morning :P

Nihgt night

 

[WHADIFIND]

 

[releventchair]

Maybe I did not phrase the question correctly.

By "standard", I mean what makes the Spanish dollar "regular". As in what is the Spanish dollar regulated by?

For instance- the meter is regulated by the distance an object falls in a vacume in one second, this being precisely ten meters. A gram is regulated by the weight of one cubic centimeter volume of distilled water, this being precisely one gram, and a liter is a cubic decimeter or 1000 grams water.

Maybe the Spanish dollar was regulated by the weight of the queen of England's toe nail clippings collected for one year, I don't know. But there must have been a standard to keep all the Spanish dollars stamped out regular size or weight.

So what was it? I'm sure it wasn't as clever as the metric system, using constants such as gravity or specific volumes of water, but their must have been some kind of standard.

Edited to add-

Darn it! I was wrong about the meter, all the television satellite cable signals messing up my memory of high-shcool physics class with something else. The meter is based on one millionth of the distance from North Pole to South Pole.

Pfffft! My idea was better.... : )

Here's a weight mention.
[The mint operated as a contract service for merchants who needed coinage. To pay for the operation several fees were collected from each person requesting coinage from the mint. What would happen is that a merchant would come to the mint and purchase silver bars at the foundry. One could also bring personally owned silver for refining. However, a fee of two reales was charged to assay each ten marks of silver (there were 67 reales to the mark), to determine if it was the proper fineness. If the silver was not pure enough a further fee was charged to take out impurities. Once the silver had been accepted the merchant was then required to pay fees of two reales (that is, 68 maravedíes) for each mark of silver they wanted turned into coins. Fees went to the treasurer (22 maravedíes), the assayer (5 maravedíes), the die sinker (5 maravedíes), the scribe or secretary (1 maravedí), for two guards (a total of 2 maravedíes), the weigh master (1 maravedí), the coiners (8 maravedíes), the foremen (24 maravedíes) and for overhead (4 maravedíes). The silver was then taken to the an area where it would be rolled into strips. Again the silver was assayed (the 5 maravedíes assay charge mentioned above) and then cut into round planchets. The planchets were then weighed to insure they were on average the correct weight. After an annealing process the planchets were placed between two dies and hammer struck to produce a coin.]

https://coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Sp-Silver.intro.html

 

[releventchair]

Another weight mention.
And interesting note of corresponding with the German Thaler.

https://www.worldbanknotescoins.com/2011/04/spanish-dollar-or-spanish-colonial.html

 

[releventchair]

Here's an interesting counterweight...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Sp...Real-Weighing-Scale-Weight-Coin-/353307935963

 

[ARC]

Morning Tnet Crew.

 

[Blak bart]

Good stuff RC....I was about to transcribe some info from the book "funnel of gold" im glad you did and had some links....its a long paragraph or 2 about the minting process....basically the standards the coin weight.....each coin was weighed against the appropriate coin weight for the denomination. The planchet was clipped or shaved to match the coin weight as close as possible.....they were pretty darn close....within a couple grains. So the coin weights were the standard that all the mints adhered to. And only after the purity standards were met. Meeting the purity standards was a much more involved process than making weight. If the silver was not pure enough then the weight standard is thrown out of calibration also !! The Spaniards went to great lengths to get this all right. Leave a coin in the ground for 200, 300, or even 400 years and you will lose some weight through corrosion. So to have some of these coins come so close to weight....well thats great and speaks to the condition of the coins after 280+years in the sand. People often say that the coin is very corodded.....no they almost make weight which means they are not corroded they are poorly struck which is normal for these coins. They haven't lost detail from corrosion they just wernt struck well. Then along came the screw press and the pillar dollar....details were so good and weight was so consistent that it became the world standard....and was the first world wide currency, and the basis for the American dollar. The coin weights themselves make a rare and sought after relic also !!

 

[Blak bart]

Morning cap.

 

[Blak bart]

Tell us about spanish coin standards cap....am I forgetting anything ??

 

[ARC]

Tell us about spanish coin standards cap....am I forgetting anything ??

Bah they just eyeballed it :P

They invented the O'haus Triple Beam :P

 

[ARC]

Um... well now...

Arrgg... hold that thought i must get coffeeeeeeee.... errrr..

I will point out on thing right off rip that most seem to over look....

Because cobs were "crude"... it was easy to "clip"... so they were clipped constantly... and why some wights on found are off... no one seems to ever consider this and i see true coins gets passed off by people as fakes alot... even here...hence the need for the Pillar... and why it came to be... cobs were out of necessity...


Errr... cooffffeee....bb