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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Yep Lincoln was brilliant but mad president.

    On Secession:
    "... the right of a state to secede from the Union [has been] settled forever by the highest tribunal – arms – that man can resort to." ~ Ulysses S. Grant's theory of constitutional law. Organized murder replaces reason.

    On Blacks:
    "Root, hog, or die" ~ Lincoln's suggestion to illiterate and propertyless ex-slaves unprepared for freedom, Feb. 3, 1865.

    On the War:
    "President Lincoln in deciding the Sumter question had adopted a simple but effective policy. To use his own words, he determined to "send bread to Anderson"; if the rebels fired on that, they would not be able to convince the world that he had begun the civil war." ~ The account of John G. Nicolay and John Hay, Lincoln's trusted confidential secretaries.
    La défaut du mien! La Beep

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by GrayCloud
    Beepster when the weather cools and the ground gets a little moisture, lets go to digging again.
    Waiting on gas money(stimulus check). Wifes in school now.
    La défaut du mien! La Beep

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by PBK
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Lincoln was a Great Man, but he was also a man of contradictions
    He was indeed. For example, many people are unaware that he personally authorized the largest mass hanging in United States history—
    38 Santee Sioux Indian men at Mankato, Minnesota on December 16, 1862.

    These executions followed a series of sham courts-martial verdicts in which 303 Santee Sioux were found guilty of raping and murdering hundreds of American settlers. No defense attorneys or witnesses were permitted for the accused, many of whom were convicted following appearances of less than five minutes before the presiding judge.
    Yes PBK--he did authorize the hanging of the 38--but all were originally scheduled to be either hanged or imprisoned and then Lincoln commuted the sentences on the other 265 and let them go (if we want to look at the other side of the fact as well). I don't know on what charges the 38 were hanged--but now it's making me curious to find out...
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by PBK
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Lincoln was a Great Man, but he was also a man of contradictions
    He was indeed.  For example, many people are unaware that he personally authorized the largest mass hanging in United States history—
    38 Santee Sioux Indian men at Mankato, Minnesota on December 16, 1862.

    These executions followed a series of sham courts-martial verdicts in which 303 Santee Sioux were found guilty of raping and murdering hundreds of American settlers. No defense attorneys or witnesses were permitted for the accused, many of whom were convicted following appearances of less than five minutes before the presiding judge.
    Yes PBK--he did authorize the hanging of the 38--but all were originally scheduled to be either hanged or imprisoned and then Lincoln commuted the sentences on the other 265 and let them go (if we want to look at the other side of the fact as well).  I don't know on what charges the 38 were hanged--but now it's making me curious to find out...

    Apparently for the theft of some eggs... The state called it an uprising when hunters went in search of food after the Indian Agents kept and sold the Indians food.

    This source from the Indian's side of the story -
    http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/hanging.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montana Jim
    Apparently for the theft of some eggs... The state called it an uprising when hunters went in search of food after the Indian Agents kept and sold the Indians food.

    This source from the Indian's side of the story -
    http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/hanging.html
    wow.
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  6. #36
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    My ancestors fought under the German Flag of the third Reich....Do I get to diplay a flag with a swastika on my post?

    Face it the Confederate flag is a flag of a dead ideal. The only flag that should fly above a state flag is OLD GLORY....

    The only place a confedrate flag should be seen is in a historical content about the Civil War or a Klan rally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG61AL
    My ancestors fought under the German Flag of the third Reich....Do I get to diplay a flag with a swastika on my post?
    You could if you want to! Do you? This is America not Germany.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG61AL
    Face it the Confederate flag is a flag of a dead ideal. The only flag that should fly above a state flag is OLD GLORY....
    It is a pride thing, either you got it or you don't.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG61AL
    The only place a confedrate flag should be seen is in a historical content about the Civil War or a Klan rally.
    Klan. Why did you have to bring them into it? Do you think EVERYBODY from the south is Klan?
    Keep thinking small it is only to our advantage, How many presidents came from the south?

    La défaut du mien! La Beep

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    How many presidents came from the south?
    I think 10 (out of 43)... if you actually count Jimmy Carter as a president.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Montana Jim
    How many presidents came from the south?
    I think 10 (out of 43)... if you actually count Jimmy Carter as a president.
    MXT,  and just dumb luck.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Montana Jim
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by PBK
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Lincoln was a Great Man, but he was also a man of contradictions
    He was indeed. For example, many people are unaware that he personally authorized the largest mass hanging in United States history—
    38 Santee Sioux Indian men at Mankato, Minnesota on December 16, 1862.

    These executions followed a series of sham courts-martial verdicts in which 303 Santee Sioux were found guilty of raping and murdering hundreds of American settlers. No defense attorneys or witnesses were permitted for the accused, many of whom were convicted following appearances of less than five minutes before the presiding judge.
    Yes PBK--he did authorize the hanging of the 38--but all were originally scheduled to be either hanged or imprisoned and then Lincoln commuted the sentences on the other 265 and let them go (if we want to look at the other side of the fact as well). I don't know on what charges the 38 were hanged--but now it's making me curious to find out...

    Apparently for the theft of some eggs... The state called it an uprising when hunters went in search of food after the Indian Agents kept and sold the Indians food.

    This source from the Indian's side of the story -
    http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/hanging.html
    Yes Montana Jim that was indeed the Indian's side of the story.

    This is from From Wikipedia

    "On August 17, 1862, five American settlers were killed by four Dakota on a hunting expedition. That night, a council of Dakota decided to attack settlements throughout the Minnesota River valley in an effort to drive whites out of the area. Continued battles between the Dakota against settlers and later, the United States Army, ended with the surrender of most of the Dakota forces.[1] There's never been an official report on the number of settlers killed, but estimates range from 300 to 800."

    The murder of hundreds of settlers was the reason why the 38 were hanged. This was the 1860's 9/11. This was the most civilians killed by hostile parties in our history until 9/11. So you can see why public sentiment was certainly not for the native Americans.

    George


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    George - there is no question in my mind more was going on...I just selected one source to post from the hundreds I found. You are correct on those circumstances. The county I live in here in Montana has the most recorded deaths of settlers, miners, and such by Indians than anyplace else in there state... However, our government made sure life was hell for the native Americana's too... there are some mitigating factors. I also realize the victors write the history!

    They weren't called he Indian Wars for nothing!

  12. #42
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    This would seem to be a thread which— to a very great degree through my own fault, I am sorry to say— has badly lost its way.

    Perhaps it would be best to return to the stated subject, namely, "Confederate Flag."

    Of course, those who wish to continue discuss other topics such as Lincoln and the hanging of the Santee Sioux can do so by starting a new thread in an appropriate forum.







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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by PBK
    This would seem to be a thread which— to a very great degree through my own fault, I am sorry to say— has badly lost its way.

    Perhaps it would be best to return to the stated subject, namely, "Confederate Flag."

    Of course, those who wish to continue discuss other topics such as Lincoln and the hanging of the Santee Sioux can do so by starting a new thread in an appropriate forum.
    I didn't see the "Hanging" forum... is it a new one? Oh--there it is. Right beside "Furniture for Sale"


    Yes...back to Flags...


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    I didn't see the "Hanging" forum... is it a new one? Oh--there it is. Right beside "Furniture for Sale" :thumbsup
    If all else fails, try "Everything Else."


  15. #45
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    I don't care what flag you want to fly. In America though, Old Glory should ride on top


    John

 

 
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