digger27
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This is about spreading misinformation, rumors...something that just bothers me to no end for some reason so a little rant if you would indulge me.
In our hobby we get lots of information from many different sources, most true, some not, some just rumors and some statements that many take as gospel made by people you would think would have a handle on the truth but in reality are just guessing.
In my life I have learned to take most information I get with a grain of salt, true things can usually be proved if you dig down far enough and you know that old saying about what can happen when you assume.
For years it bothered me that in one instance on one particular unit there was much misinformation being passed around and even though the truth was out there and could be found many never did and sometimes made buying decisions based on false information.
This was about the F4 and whether the ground balance setting would transfer over from all metal to disc.
The truth is it didn't, Dave Johnson came on and said as much in a few posts but still this wrong information persisted.
It sure didn't help that when you called some dealers and asked many said it did transfer.
This could have just been ignorance or it might have been a sales technique but in my world if this information was passed on purposely just to sell a product I have another word for it...lying.
The bigger problem was there were many that called FTP and asked this same question and depending on which tech you talked to you would get different answers...some would say it did, others would tell you it didn't.
I don't think in the factory's case it was lying but more of a case of bad communication and not enough training.
But still when they told customers the wrong information it was a disservice and helped to keep this misinformation floating around for years.
Recently on another forum we have been having a discussion about using monotone and maybe having some unmasking advantages on the F75 platform.
In this thread the subject of using the threshold control came up.
On the F70/Patriot we have complete control of this feature in both all metal and disc but on the F75, as far as I knew after reading the manual and posts from several owners, only one of the two all metal modes can you change the threshold settings.
This is where that misinformation thing popped up again.
One owner called a major dealer and asked about this and he was told by the rep that if you set the thresh in all metal it would indeed transfer over to disc, and this hunter believed him.
I replied this sounded totally bogus, it that were true you would think they would put this in the manual since adjusting the threshold in disc might be an important feature the company probably would want to share with their customers that might want to actually try to use it to their advantage.
Then another member posted he called the factory and the tech there told him the thresh would transfer over to disc on the F75 but only if you set it at +2.
My jaw dropped a little on that one, I can't say for sure this is true and any tech at the factory would ever have actually had this ridiculous statement come out of their mouth but then again there was that F4 stuff that went on for years.
This is how rumors start and how they keep going...don't know why this bothered me at all, I don't even own an F75 but for some reason I felt it had to end asap.
I posted that unless someone with credentials we can trust comes on and addresses this exact subject if I owned an F75 I would assume what the manual says and just assume the threshold can only be adjusted in one all metal mode.
That is when one member sent a message to Dave Johnson and asked about this.
He came on the forum eventually and posted this...
Been a few years since I swung an F75, I handed the question over to John Gardiner, the engineer who wrote the code that runs it.
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Johnny says no on F75, yes on F70.
So there you go, if for whatever reason you own or are thinking about owning one and threshold control in disc is something important to you this is information you can trust from the guy that designed the machine and the person that programmed it.
As the X Files show used to say, "The truth is out there"...it is just up to us to find it.
None of this matters much to many, the F75 is amazing and even without being able to control the thresh in disc this is really a non issue, it doesn't affect many hunters in the slightest but it just bothered me that even a few might believe things they heard but were not true at all.
However if this information is of interest to you this is the truth, the gospel...straight from the source.
Now you know.
In our hobby we get lots of information from many different sources, most true, some not, some just rumors and some statements that many take as gospel made by people you would think would have a handle on the truth but in reality are just guessing.
In my life I have learned to take most information I get with a grain of salt, true things can usually be proved if you dig down far enough and you know that old saying about what can happen when you assume.
For years it bothered me that in one instance on one particular unit there was much misinformation being passed around and even though the truth was out there and could be found many never did and sometimes made buying decisions based on false information.
This was about the F4 and whether the ground balance setting would transfer over from all metal to disc.
The truth is it didn't, Dave Johnson came on and said as much in a few posts but still this wrong information persisted.
It sure didn't help that when you called some dealers and asked many said it did transfer.
This could have just been ignorance or it might have been a sales technique but in my world if this information was passed on purposely just to sell a product I have another word for it...lying.
The bigger problem was there were many that called FTP and asked this same question and depending on which tech you talked to you would get different answers...some would say it did, others would tell you it didn't.
I don't think in the factory's case it was lying but more of a case of bad communication and not enough training.
But still when they told customers the wrong information it was a disservice and helped to keep this misinformation floating around for years.
Recently on another forum we have been having a discussion about using monotone and maybe having some unmasking advantages on the F75 platform.
In this thread the subject of using the threshold control came up.
On the F70/Patriot we have complete control of this feature in both all metal and disc but on the F75, as far as I knew after reading the manual and posts from several owners, only one of the two all metal modes can you change the threshold settings.
This is where that misinformation thing popped up again.
One owner called a major dealer and asked about this and he was told by the rep that if you set the thresh in all metal it would indeed transfer over to disc, and this hunter believed him.
I replied this sounded totally bogus, it that were true you would think they would put this in the manual since adjusting the threshold in disc might be an important feature the company probably would want to share with their customers that might want to actually try to use it to their advantage.
Then another member posted he called the factory and the tech there told him the thresh would transfer over to disc on the F75 but only if you set it at +2.
My jaw dropped a little on that one, I can't say for sure this is true and any tech at the factory would ever have actually had this ridiculous statement come out of their mouth but then again there was that F4 stuff that went on for years.
This is how rumors start and how they keep going...don't know why this bothered me at all, I don't even own an F75 but for some reason I felt it had to end asap.
I posted that unless someone with credentials we can trust comes on and addresses this exact subject if I owned an F75 I would assume what the manual says and just assume the threshold can only be adjusted in one all metal mode.
That is when one member sent a message to Dave Johnson and asked about this.
He came on the forum eventually and posted this...
| Re: Monotone? Posted by: Dave J. [ Send a Message ] Date: June 07, 2017 03:45PM | Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 914 |
Been a few years since I swung an F75, I handed the question over to John Gardiner, the engineer who wrote the code that runs it.
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| Re: Monotone? Posted by: Dave J. [ Send a Message ] Date: June 07, 2017 05:23PM | Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 914 |
Johnny says no on F75, yes on F70.
So there you go, if for whatever reason you own or are thinking about owning one and threshold control in disc is something important to you this is information you can trust from the guy that designed the machine and the person that programmed it.
As the X Files show used to say, "The truth is out there"...it is just up to us to find it.
None of this matters much to many, the F75 is amazing and even without being able to control the thresh in disc this is really a non issue, it doesn't affect many hunters in the slightest but it just bothered me that even a few might believe things they heard but were not true at all.
However if this information is of interest to you this is the truth, the gospel...straight from the source.
Now you know.
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