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Thread: FUR TRADE AXE & PEWTER/LEAD PIPE - new to hobby and site

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  1. #1

    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting

    Lightbulb FUR TRADE AXE & PEWTER/LEAD PIPE - new to hobby and site

    I have been detecting for a couple months now. I started with a white's classic III which I found the Axe with. I then upgraded already to the AT PRO which I found the PIPE with. I found a fair amount of information on the AXE's of this time period, but the pipe there seems to be very little information about the metal pipes, moreso the pottery types! Ive been lurking on this site quite a bit since ive started this hobby and all your information is invaluable!! Thanks for making it fun!Click image for larger version. 

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  3. #2
    us
    Nov 2008
    301
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    Will you use electrolysis to clean the trade axe?

  4. #3

    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting
    To be honest I've never used any method, I found another axe as well in worse condition. What's the recommended method)? I was thinking sodium hydroxide and magnesium.

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    us
    Sep 2008
    Michigan
    75
    Relic Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by straightenarrow View Post
    To be honest I've never used any method, I found another axe as well in worse condition. What's the recommended method)? I was thinking sodium hydroxide and magnesium.
    550 degrees in the oven for 30mins.. then right into cold soapy water for about 5mins.. then do it again ... I take a triangular file but any metal edge will do to knock off to rust bubbles then a Brass wire brush to clean the rest .. let dry .. I coat mine with a few coats of baby oil ... and they not only look great but smell good!

  6. #5

    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting
    Sounds like a safer method than the caustic/mag method! I think Ill try that first. The other axe I found is much worse with big (almost golf ball sized) nodules on it. Same area as this axe but deeper, although it does look like the typical trade axe... it actually looks more like a modern day axe, but its really hard to tell with so much corrosion!

  7. #6
    us
    Feb 2005
    Whites MXT, Whites TDI, Minelab excalibur
    97
    6 times
    Welcome and nice finds. I dont know much about either axes or pipes. What is the pipe made from?

  8. #7

    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting
    The pipe seems to be made out of lead or pewter type material. How does one tell the difference between those to materials as they age??

  9. #8
    us
    Mar 2009
    Tuscarawas County, Ohio
    Tesoro Tejon
    722
    10 times
    Relic Hunting
    Awesome finds! It's nice to see some new finds in here. I know nothing about pipes, but if it's heavy then could be lead. It looks like lead. It really looks like clay, but obviously it's not. Work that site over good.

    -Swartzie
    Oldest coins: KG II Halfpence (1727-1760), Liberty Cap 1/2 cent (1795-1797), 1808 1/2 Real.

  10. #9

    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting
    Thank you! It is definitely lead type material on the pipe is made out of. Historically there were lead mines in SW WI so traveling a hundred or so miles up the major river would be feasible. I image they used some type of hollow bone or shell to complete the pipe. I am still looking for my first good coin, but I think I most enjoy relics such as this. I also found a copper piece that almost appeared like an 1/8 of a coin in shape and size.

  11. #10
    us
    Aug 2010
    21
    7 times
    I looked a good Fur Trade camp for about five years, and never found a single coin, although some buddies did find a couple of old coins there years before. I did find hundreds of Fur Trade relics though, and as long as your finding good relics, who cares about coins?

  12. #11

    Oct 2007
    Wisconsin
    Whites XLT & Whites Beachhunter
    175
    2 times
    I find lots of coins on fur trade sites here in Wisconsin, but the farther North you go I think the less of them they had. Up North was more of the barter system I think.

  13. #12
    ca
    Jan 2011
    742
    54 times
    Cleaning your axe should be done with a wire brush, you don't want to go at it really hard, the more you do to it you might damage it. I use a wire wire wheel on my bench grinder, I started use a cloth disk on my hand drill, this method cleans up nice, and for the inside where the handle went, I use a long narrow wire brush, then use a wax. Here is my older axe I found the other day, it was in the same condition as yours. I hope this helps.Click image for larger version. 

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    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting
    That turned out really great! I believe that should be my first method to try, simple no chemicals, no risk! Appreciate the help! all the best!

  15. #14

    Oct 2007
    Wisconsin
    Whites XLT & Whites Beachhunter
    175
    2 times
    Quote Originally Posted by straightenarrow View Post
    That turned out really great! I believe that should be my first method to try, simple no chemicals, no risk! Appreciate the help! all the best!
    Getting out hunting tomorrow straightenoarrow? I will be and hopefully will be finding some stuff like this.
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  16. #15

    Apr 2012
    Wisco
    Garrett AT PRO, Pointer, Whites Classic 3
    9
    1 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by A. Grignon View Post
    Getting out hunting tomorrow straightenoarrow? I will be and hopefully will be finding some stuff like this.

    I haven't been out in quite some time! Tough to get out now as I am a avid bowhunter and duck hunter!

  17. #16
    us
    Aug 2012
    Northern Michigan
    Whites Spectrum XLT
    46
    30 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    I have 2 fur trade harpoons or smaller muskrat spears that were treated by boiling the in parafin. This is an old method that a retired curator of a Wisconsin museum used back in the day. The parafin seems to leach into artifact and does wonders for preservation as well as it's appearance.

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    Nov 2012
    7
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    Hi my dad dug this up in his allotment about 10 years ago , I was just wondering if any of you had any idea on age
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  19. #18

    Oct 2012
    18
    4 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by lighterlife View Post
    Hi my dad dug this up in his allotment about 10 years ago , I was just wondering if any of you had any idea on age
    Looks roughly mid-17th century to me. What's the bore diameter?

  20. #19
    us
    I make and hunt for arrowheads and other artifacts, if you're interested in having me make some for you (out of your local rock or my own glass) PM me, I would love to

    Jul 2012
    Yorktown, Virginia
    cheapo Bounty Hunter, but it does the job!
    328
    79 times
    Native Artifacts, Anything Colonial
    Quote Originally Posted by lighterlife
    Hi my dad dug this up in his allotment about 10 years ago , I was just wondering if any of you had any idea on age
    This may help, sure works for me...
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