looking for some id's please

[Older The Better]

Some Items From a Trade Era Site, I'm working on cataloguing my finds and ive yet to get a good id on these objects, the lightning bolt thing ive seen in pictures of trade objects but I dont know what they are, and the funny looking naillike object with a flat side I suspect may be a trigger. any help would be appreciated

 

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[Ia.FurTrade]

Your "lightning bolt" piece is a double ended awl........Is the piece in the bottom picture silver? If so it could be part of an armband.
The rest of the pieces are pretty subjective....... Hard to tell......especially without handling.

Iowa Dale

 

[Terry Soloman]

Without sounding like an.., well, I'm going to sound like one anyway - We call stuff like that "junk finds" here in White Plains. Straight into the garbage.

 

[Older The Better]

Ha ha Yeah I hear people call a lot of my stuff junk but it’s a pure 1830’s trade site no modern trash beyond a shotgun brass or .22 casing so these all belonged to a native Americans nearly 200 years ago. I’d never throw something like that away, not to mention how many times I’ve gone back through what I thought was junk and found out I actually had something special.

The lead items are odd because they were something worth printing a design on. The awl is diagnostic of trade sites, a good piece of supporting evidence to my date, the other may be gun parts I suspect a trigger and the other maybe a nipple wrench

 

[kansa54]

Never throw anything away from a known site. What you might think is junk can turn out to be a good find as your knowledge expands. I know because I have thrown relics away in the past that I dearly wish I had back.
It is hard to tell from the photo, but I don't believe the iron relic to be a trigger. Could be but just can't tell by the photo.
Good luck on future hunts at that site.

 

[Older The Better]

Exactly Kansa 54 a few years ago I found an odd piece of brass a little way away from my site and had no idea what it was and stashed it and forgot it. after finding more gun parts I realized one of the ramrod holders had the same discoloration as the brass piece and I now think they were once one piece... this expanded the boundaries of my site and when I went and looked over where I found the brass piece I found another ramrod holder with the same carvings and a trigger right above it... that makes 2 triggers and a 3rd if my hunch is right about the one above.
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this is the brass piece and it has the same markings
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The ramrod holder I think it attached to
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The new one I was lead to

How the two pieces are related
As for the trigger


I wonder if it isn’t a heavily corroded trigger similar to these

 

[Older The Better]

Here’s some other angles

 

[Hardy]

The Diagnostics of pieces of artifacts play a important part of any site and to dismiss these As “Junk”. ??

 

[Older The Better]

Here’s a roll of lead that sure looks like “junk” but now thanks to this site I think it may have been wrapped around a hook

Just for the fun of it, found same spot, brass. Gun related? Or even just what is it?

 

[Hardy]

Is the brass hollow on just one end ?

 

[Older The Better]

No it’s a tube that has a clean cut most of the way across but not all the way

 

[Hardy]

Could be a collar that held in place the bit attachment for a Ramrod. Use callipers to check the rough caliber and search 18th and 19th century long guns used in the fur trade

 

[Older The Better]

I don’t think I’m following you exactly are we talking about a ramrod thimble/holder or a different piece like this

 

[Hardy]

That last piece, was wondering if it was just a sleeve that held tight the receiver of the ramrod tip ?