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  1. #1
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    Finds Near Trading Post Site (1794 - 1892)

    Here are some of my finds from the fur trade era. These were found about 4.5 Miles (as the crow flies) from the historic Hudson's Bay trading post site of Fort Ellice in Southwestern Manitoba, Canada. Sorry if my photo of the artifacts is not great. I will have to find the correct background and lighting in the future.

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    I have found some info about these items

    The 3 Eley London shotgun shell caps are from the mid 1800's, the two with no pins were found together and say Eley London GASTIGHT NO. 12. The one with the Pin still intact just says Eley London No. 12.

    Found that the piece stamped W Moore & Co. is from some kind of old shotgun. I imagine the other part that was found nearby is from the same gun.

    45-75 Rifle Cartridges are for a Winchester Model 1873 that was mainly issued to the Canadian North-West Mounted Police which were definitely present in the area around that time.

    The Metal Arrowhead is my favorite find to date. I have no idea how to date this item, I am guessing 1800's for sure. I am also guessing it was an item that would have been traded for at Fort Ellice.

    I will hopefully find more interesting items to post. I have probably found enough square nails to build a house LOL.

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    Finds Near Trading Post Site (1794 - 1892)

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    Iíve got one of those. My site it dated to the 1830/40ís. Itís not unreasonable yours is too. Very interesting to see the same point all the way up in Canada, mine was found in se Kansas.
    your cartridges and shell bases are later, youíre probably right on those, I think The peters is probably in that 1900-20 range.
    I have also found a handful of buttons so itís another strong hint you have a mid 1800ís component to your spot. Your button looks like a flat button and is a great tool to find a date if you can show how the shank is formed and what else is stamped on it.
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    Keep looking Iím sure thereís more good stuff
    Last edited by Older The Better; Sep 11, 2019 at 06:25 AM.

  3. #3
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    Thanks so much for the info and reply Older T.B. My button has that same orange marked in but with a bit different pattern. The shank has been bent down or deformed. I will try and take some better photos. Just curios what you are using for a background and lighting to take your pictures? They are perfect.
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    A piece of red velvet and a couple lamps.
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    D-VO Congrats on finding some neat items .And it looks like you did a good job with your research .The next thing is get out there and find some more to fill in the blanks
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  7. #7
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    Nice finds! Which Fort Ellice? The first location was on Beaver Creek, 3 miles east of the Assiniboine River from 1831 to 1863.
    Then it was moved to the current site (on top of the hill) shortly after.

    Tried to detect the current site years ago for about 5 minutes when this belligerent A-hole came out screaming and swearing F-sharps and chased us out.
    I thought it was owned by the town as it had picnic shelters and a grand stand for agricultural events.
    Turns out that guy (previous owner) was digging graves up and selling peace medals that he looted and that's why the government expropriated the land a few years ago.

    I noticed a date on your post of 1794. Are you thinking about the Shell River fort?

    If I had to wager a bet, I would guess your button reads..."Orange Gilt Standard (STANDd) Colour" as that's the most common back mark I find here in Manitoba.

    Interesting style of the iron point you have. All of mine (from older sites) do not have that "T-bar" base, just a plain stem.

    Those pin - fire shotgun shells are fairly uncommon here and I have only dug a small handful in over 30 years of detecting.

    Your off to great start with your detecting and I'm sure you will find some real historic treasures!
    P.M. if you want to know more about the sites in your area or any fur trade history in general.
    Happy hunting!

    Edit# I'm pretty sure the iron piece in the middle is a side plate decoration from a gun. Searched the name and sure enough, W. Moore & Co. (English) made early shot guns.
    Last edited by Muddyhandz; Sep 12, 2019 at 08:43 AM.
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  8. #8
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    Thanks for the great reply Muddy, Searching the actual Fort has always been a big NO NO to my knowledge. I am on the opposite side of the valley on a friends land. Just have to figure that people had to camp on their way to trade at the Fort. I will be sure to PM you and chat a bit more!

  9. #9
    ca
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    As suggested by OTB, I found myself a better background and lighting for my next set of pictures.

    Horseshoe (Local figures flat style might be from NW Mounted Police)
    3 Prong Fork with STEEL marked on it
    I am pretty sure a part from an old balance scale
    I have finally included 3 pics of an unknown item. My father thinks it may be the top moving part to open a break or hinge action shotgun?

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    Having lots of fun with this new hobby! The search continues!
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  10. #10
    ca
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    Went out to a few different spots. Found a ton of square nails and a few interesting items.

    An interesting J-Hook that looks to be home made. Not sure what it was used for? Any Ideas?
    Kids 3 prong fork with the wood still intact on the one side
    What I believe is a fired musket ball
    Checked out an old 1800's homestead. Lots of junk but did find an old steel file.
    As always.... The search continues.......... !!!

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  11. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-VO View Post
    Went out to a few different spots. Found a ton of square nails and a few interesting items.

    An interesting J-Hook that looks to be home made. Not sure what it was used for? Any Ideas?

    As always.... The search continues.......... !!!

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    That J-hook looks awfully similar to one that I found recently at a trading post site in Minnesota. See item #4, upper-right

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  12. #12
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    Yes it does look fairly similar. Nice finds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddyhandz View Post
    Nice finds! Which Fort Ellice? The first location was on Beaver Creek, 3 miles east of the Assiniboine River from 1831 to 1863.
    Then it was moved to the current site (on top of the hill) shortly after.

    Tried to detect the current site years ago for about 5 minutes when this belligerent A-hole came out screaming and swearing F-sharps and chased us out.
    I thought it was owned by the town as it had picnic shelters and a grand stand for agricultural events.
    Turns out that guy (previous owner) was digging graves up and selling peace medals that he looted and that's why the government expropriated the land a few years ago.

    I noticed a date on your post of 1794. Are you thinking about the Shell River fort?

    If I had to wager a bet, I would guess your button reads..."Orange Gilt Standard (STANDd) Colour" as that's the most common back mark I find here in Manitoba.

    Interesting style of the iron point you have. All of mine (from older sites) do not have that "T-bar" base, just a plain stem.

    Those pin - fire shotgun shells are fairly uncommon here and I have only dug a small handful in over 30 years of detecting.

    Your off to great start with your detecting and I'm sure you will find some real historic treasures!
    P.M. if you want to know more about the sites in your area or any fur trade history in general.
    Happy hunting!

    Edit# I'm pretty sure the iron piece in the middle is a side plate decoration from a gun. Searched the name and sure enough, W. Moore & Co. (English) made early shot guns.
    Oh man! Digging up graves is bad juju and would not want to be around when the book of life is opened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tahomatom View Post
    Oh man! Digging up graves is bad juju and would not want to be around when the book of life is opened.
    Lol I 2nd that

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  15. #15
    ca
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    Yes I totally agree. I am 5 miles from the actual site. At the actual site a group has now come in and clearly marked the graves and the government has put fencing around them.

 

 

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