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    Could this be a trade ring?

    Found this brass & glass ring in the yard of a 200 year old house in VT. The site has yielded items from as far back as the 1700s (eg, 1751 KGII halfpenny; pewter buttons & spoons) but mostly 1800s. The ring was about 10?-12? down. It?s crudely made. Nothing is symmetrical, not even the facets on the glass jewel. The patina seems quite advanced to me. The only other ring I?ve been able to find online that bears any similarity to mine is one that?s purported to be a 1600s fur trade ring from upstate NY (see pic). So my question is whether mine could also be a fur trade ring, even if from a later period. Thoughts?
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    Very nice find. Someone here will be able to help you out. Also welcome to T-net, we look forward to seeing your future post.

    seabees

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    Thanks! I’m really trying hard to figure out what I’ve found here. ��
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    nice find Welcome to treasurenet
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    That's a beauty of a ring I'd definitely say that's at least 1700's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTColonialDigger View Post
    That's a beauty of a ring I'd definitely say that's at least 1700's!
    Thanks, man! My gut is telling me it could be that old but I haven't been able yet to put a reliable date on it. I'd be shocked if it turned out to be made after the Civil War.
    Last edited by VThistorybuff; Jul 18, 2021 at 05:00 PM.

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    I believe your ring is a 1650-1680 Iroquois Seneca Indian trade ring!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Soloman View Post
    I believe your ring is a 1650-1680 Iroquois Seneca Indian trade ring!
    Dude, I'd be thrilled if that turned out to be the case! I can see you've got some serious experience as a detectorist...have you seen others like this? I mean, aside from the one in the comparison photo I posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VThistorybuff View Post
    Dude, I'd be thrilled if that turned out to be the case! I can see you've got some serious experience as a detectorist...have you seen others like this? I mean, aside from the one in the comparison photo I posted?
    Yes I have. Email Jacqueline.Carr@uvm.edu / https://www.uvm.edu/cas/history/prof...e-barbara-carr

    Dona.Brown@uvm.edu / https://www.uvm.edu/cas/history/profiles/dona-l-brown

    See if they can help you authenticate it or point you to someone that can. Best of Luck!!!
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    Thank you!
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    show us a pic of the 1751 KGII if you have it!

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    I was taught growing up that if you dont have something nice to say dont say anything at all...

    Welllll... damnit.

    Um... it is not a trade ring... sorry.

    Wanna know "why" i say this ? ? ?

    Trade rings did not have faceted stones or glass.

    The key thing that clues this out are those facets.

    And to make matters "worse"... errr... or not neccessaily worse... but...

    I believe this may be a vintage bubble gum ring... Hong Kong.

    Sorry... but again... in my opinion.
    Last edited by AARC; Jul 21, 2021 at 04:55 PM.
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    After a quick search for "vintage Hong Kong bubble gum machine ring"... this came up.

    This is an example of what i was thinking yours MAY be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    I was taught growing up that if you dont have something nice to say dont say anything at all...

    Welllll... damnit.

    Um... it is not a trade ring... sorry.

    Wanna know "why" i say this ? ? ?

    Trade rings did not have faceted stones or glass.

    The key thing that clues this out are those facets.

    And to make matters "worse"... errr... or not neccessaily worse... but...

    I believe this may be a vintage bubble gum ring... Hong Kong.

    Sorry... but again... in my opinion.
    Your info is incorrect my friend. Here is one I found that was authenticated by Professor John Irwin, at New York City's Museum of Natural History. While the glass is missing, the facets are obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Soloman View Post
    Your info is incorrect my friend. Here is one I found that was authenticated by Professor John Irwin, at New York City's Museum of Natural History. While the glass is missing, the facets are obvious.
    >? what facets ?

    The picture you posted Terry shows NO facets.

    It cannot show any either... FOR there is NO glass OR stone to show facets.

    I think it is you that is incorrect on this one.

    The ops ring is a cut green glass ... faceted.

    Facets are a quality to the "gem"... not the ring my friend.

    What you are referring to is the "prongs"... for that is the only thing left on the ring you pictured.

    Which BTW is a great find... never saw your post on that one,
    Last edited by AARC; Jul 21, 2021 at 07:12 PM.
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