Not enough objective comparisons

CaballoDeOro

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I was listening to a metal detecting podcast this morning and my ears perked up when I heard the host mention the AT Pro. But then he said something to the tune of "you go out and buy a low-to-midrange detector like the AT Pro and you're just not going to find what you'll find with the Minelab CTX 3030 or the White's V3i. I'm not knocking the Garrett, I'm just saying that it won't find what you'll find with a higher end machine."

So there's a couple of problems I have with this, and it's something I've been thinking about quite a bit. On the one hand you have the school of "you get what you pay for." If that's 100% true, then the host is correct, and the $1,000+ machines will find more than the ~$600 AT Pro. On the other hand, you have companies that (understandably) use well-known marketing strategies to increase their sales. As Apple has demonstrated over the past decade, if you can convince people that your product is "premium," (and in some cases it really is) you can build in a higher profit margin.

For me, the AT Pro makes sense because I like to go in the water as much as I like to land hunt, and the combination of waterproof versatility, fast recovery and Pro mode audio is unbeatable at $600. I just can't see another machine out there that offers that combination at that price. I personally am not looking for another machine and don't expect to for quite a while.

But when the time does come for me to reevaluate all the detectors on offer, there is one thing that would really make my life easier. That would be a truly objective comparison of detectors across the all price ranges and across the major manufacturers. It would probably take a dealer to do it (because they would have access to most of the machines at the same time), but wouldn't it be fantastic if someone built a test garden with various targets buried at one-inch intervals between 5 and 16 inches and created a big chart that showed how each machine responded to large, medium and small targets at different depths and different metallic compositions? We have some comparison charts, but they are usually comparing one coil to another, or just one detector to another single detector. To be a truly informed customer I need a broad all-things-being-equal comparison to help me decide how much money is worth investing in my detector and which manufacturer is the lucky winner of my business.

I know there are a million variables involved with detecting and there would be limitations to this testing, but this kind of objective comparison would allow consumers to make more rational decisions about how much to spend. It would answer the questions we all have about whether more money always means more detector. It would also push the manufacturers to make even better machines at more affordable price points without quite so much mystery about which machine is right for you. Of course, some companies may not want that: many businesses rely on customers making irrational decisions based on marketing instead of product performance, quality and value.

Just some musings. What do you think?
 

bikermike

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CaballoDeOro,

I agree with you 100%. There is not one unbiased test or review on the internet or in print that I have been able to find. I can find a review on batteries that go into more detail than any ten metal detector reviews combined. It really is a crap shoot on the purchase. As a manufacturer I would welcome a standard to build to. Strange business metal detectors.

Mike
 

ecoast

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but wouldn't it be fantastic if someone built a test garden with various targets buried at one-inch intervals between 5 and 16 inches
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Just some musings. What do you think?

look @ user: DetectorComparisons on youtube


when you have learn tried/learned a 'better' machine, you will also see the added value relative to cost...
 

Treasure_Hunter

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Find me a review on anything that is not bias, if it was written by a human it will be bias in one way or another, these guys are usually pretty accurate.

MetalDetectorsReviews.com
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CaballoDeOro

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look @ user: DetectorComparisons on youtube

I will take a look, thanks!

when you have learn tried/learned a 'better' machine, you will also see the added value relative to cost...

So it sounds like you're saying higher price = better detector. I notice you have both the AT (~$600) and the V3i (~$1,300). What objective benefits do I get over and above the AT Pro for spending $700 more? In terms of depth, recovery speed, VDI accuracy, etc.?
 

Kodiak43351

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I am happy with the detector I purchased. I wasn't happy with the others I had or tried. I know there are better detectors than what I use but if I'm finding great things and enjoying this great hobby with a detector that I love to use then why change? Only other detector I'm interested in now is the at gold because I love relic hunting and dig low conductors also. I don't cherry pick on old sites and dig a lot. The at pro does a great job in trashy sites with great recovery. I just want to add the at gold for the threshold based all metal and it's going to be a bit hotter and deeper on low conductors. If I was just out for silver coins and jewelry the pro fits the bill for me just fine. It gets great depth with the smaller coil also. Sometimes it's a Ford, Chevy and Dodge type thing and by the way I'm a Ford guy lol. Good luck everyone.
 

Bart@Big Boys Hobbies

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Feel free to call me as we sell them all. I will ask you a few questions and give you a few to look into biased on that.
 

locater

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I TRULY BELIEVE DOING PROPER RESEARCH ON WHAT DETECTOR FITS YOU BEST IS THE KEY.

There are no bad detectors, or "best" detectors. They ALL (major brands) find buried metal reasonably well.

If you find one that fits your needs, and you are happy with it, THAT IS WHAT MATTERS, you won the game! All the "mine is better than yours", is just a bunch of ego stroking BS!
 

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John-Edmonton

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I TRULY BELIEVE DOING PROPER RESEARCH ON WHAT DETECTOR FITS YOU BEST IS THE KEY.

There are no bad detectors, or "best" detectors. They ALL (major brands) find buried metal reasonably well.

If you find one that fits your needs, and you are happy with it, THAT IS WHAT MATTERS, you won the game! All the "mine is better than yours", is just a bunch of ego stroking BS!

Well said......and the best detector you can own is the one you have put many hours on and mastered to the point where you can tell the machine what is under the coil, not the other way around.

Depth should never be the only reason for buying a detector. If it is, then buy a PI, which will run circles around other machines.
 

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CaballoDeOro

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If you find one that fits your needs, and you are happy with it, THAT IS WHAT MATTERS, you won the game! All the "mine is better than yours", is just a bunch of ego stroking BS!

I tend to agree, locater. And to what John said, I have no doubts that the most important factor is knowing how to use your machine. It was just the attitude of the podcast host got me thinking. The concept is prevalent all over. You see it here on the forums every day: He's using a $600 AT Pro and I'm using a $1,300 V3i. I'm going to find things that he's not because my detector is that much better. The only way to counter this idea and help consumers be truly informed is to have unbiased objective test information available that compares detectors on the same variables under the same conditions.
 

Sandman

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As John said just knowing your detector is what matters. Consumer's Reports won't ever test metal detectors because there is to many variables. I've seen some units that were extremely hot where they could sound off on a coin 2 ft away. Another detector of the same brand and model could only get less than half that. Maybe a component was not to specifications or something was strange with the coil. We can always hope for real comparisons, but it can't happen. Like comparing human's, all of us have DNA, but some are weird to put it mildly....

Bart of Big Boys Hobbies is a good one to ask.
 

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Diggin-N-Dumps

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As John said just knowing your detector is what matters. Consumer's Reports won't ever test metal detectors because there is to many variables. I've seen some units that were extremely hot where they could sound off on a coin 2 ft away. Another detector of the same brand and model could only get less than half that. Maybe a component was not to specifications or something was strange with the coil. We can always hope for real comparisons, but it can't happen. Like comparing human's, all of us have DNA, but some are weird to put it mildly....

Bart of Big Boys Hobbies is a good one to ask.

Well said Sandman.

Its like , You can have a 500 HP Engine, Or a 200 HP engine...But its really all about who is being the wheel my freind.
I do think Etracs /3030s are great machines...and yes, they do go deeper..But they also have thier own things about them.

MY buddy runs an Etrac...sometimes he will call me over to see if i can even get a signal because his is reading 12"..and I dont get anything....at the same time, he will get a nice sweet tone, and call me over..and my ATP shows just Iron

He digs it up..and out pops a piece of Barb wire. There are alot of people that just dont like certain brands

I can knock any other brand, because I have only used Garretts. But I do plan on getting an Etrac next spring...I like the sounds it makes..lol
 

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Nobody makes the "perfect" detector. If they did make such a thing, everyone would have already bought it and found all of the good stuff in the ground.

IMO, they all have their own pros and cons.They each have situations where they will excel over the competition, and situations will they will fall on their face. Ultimately it mostly comes down to experience and skill with a little bit of luck. This year I have found more and better finds than ever with my AT Pro. The past two years I spent learning the machine (and finding a lot of good stuff), and this year I started really swinging low and slow, and tweaking the settings/trying different coils. I have fun using it and that is all that matters to me. I'm really considering an ETrac or XP Deus as my next detector.. the CTX3030 looks pretty sweet but just a but $$$ over my budget.
 

RobRieman

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A detector is kinda like a woman. They are all capable of having babies, it's just that some are more fun to practice with than others. ;)
 

DiggerinVA

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Some machines are "perfect" for some conditions/areas where others have their areas where they are "perfect"....which is why i have several machines.
 

badpenny

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A very good thread, which I enjoyed reading. Thx!
 

Keppy

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I was listening to a metal detecting podcast this morning and my ears perked up when I heard the host mention the AT Pro. But then he said something to the tune of "you go out and buy a low-to-midrange detector like the AT Pro and you're just not going to find what you'll find with the Minelab CTX 3030 or the White's V3i. I'm not knocking the Garrett, I'm just saying that it won't find what you'll find with a higher end machine."

So there's a couple of problems I have with this, and it's something I've been thinking about quite a bit. On the one hand you have the school of "you get what you pay for." If that's 100% true, then the host is correct, and the $1,000+ machines will find more than the ~$600 AT Pro. On the other hand, you have companies that (understandably) use well-known marketing strategies to increase their sales. As Apple has demonstrated over the past decade, if you can convince people that your product is "premium," (and in some cases it really is) you can build in a higher profit margin.

For me, the AT Pro makes sense because I like to go in the water as much as I like to land hunt, and the combination of waterproof versatility, fast recovery and Pro mode audio is unbeatable at $600. I just can't see another machine out there that offers that combination at that price. I personally am not looking for another machine and don't expect to for quite a while.

But when the time does come for me to reevaluate all the detectors on offer, there is one thing that would really make my life easier. That would be a truly objective comparison of detectors across the all price ranges and across the major manufacturers. It would probably take a dealer to do it (because they would have access to most of the machines at the same time), but wouldn't it be fantastic if someone built a test garden with various targets buried at one-inch intervals between 5 and 16 inches and created a big chart that showed how each machine responded to large, medium and small targets at different depths and different metallic compositions? We have some comparison charts, but they are usually comparing one coil to another, or just one detector to another single detector. To be a truly informed customer I need a broad all-things-being-equal comparison to help me decide how much money is worth investing in my detector and which manufacturer is the lucky winner of my business.

I know there are a million variables involved with detecting and there would be limitations to this testing, but this kind of objective comparison would allow consumers to make more rational decisions about how much to spend. It would answer the questions we all have about whether more money always means more detector. It would also push the manufacturers to make even better machines at more affordable price points without quite so much mystery about which machine is right for you. Of course, some companies may not want that: many businesses rely on customers making irrational decisions based on marketing instead of product performance, quality and value.

Just some musings. What do you think?
I see you can make some good post's ..
 

RobRieman

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That would be a very interesting comparison to see even though others soil and hunting conditions would make a difference as you stated. The problem is that no dealer would do the study and point out that one brand of detector is absolutely better than another or they wouldn't be in the business long. I'm sure you could do the same with cars, but then their would only be one manufacture in business and that probably wouldn't work out either. Competition drives sales whether it's better or not.
 

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How long you been tectin? What's your favorite machine and why? That's what I think. Hey, spend less time listening to metal detecting podcasts and spend more time with a tecter in your hands, and a set of phones wrapped around your metal detecting noggin.
 

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I read the owner manuals of many detectors till I found one that fit. I also have many types of hunts. I seen the same guy out hunt me twice now just because he never stopped swinging the whole time we hunted. While I feel I have more options he did better with a mid range detector. My regular hunting buddy has out done me several times and I have learned it was his approach to the hunt that helped him. There is a guy who owns a old Bounty Hunter with a lil round coil that will smoke you on his 3 tone machine. Think the thing had a analog readout too. Budget should be second as you can always save your clad.
 

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