To All Treasure Hunters - Our Legal Rights are at Risk! WE NEED YOUR HELP!

[Truetone30]

To LuckyLarry and all others that are or have talked about the Gov.

It should not matter who you vote for to get rights. Bottom line is we are a free people! Its just like a club guys/gals. Sometimes the top dog gets bored and thinks of ways to better the club "in this case the US" so he holds a meeting tells the "club" his ideas < hints he trys to pass something> It dose not matter. If the people want it in they will vote it in if they do not want it in then they will vote it out. God bless~ and happy hunting

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[matt092079]

Gene in AL: I'll be the "devil's advocate" and give you the archaeologist's answer to your question. While it may seem silly to prohibit the recovery of an item that's buried in the ground, and no one knows is there, they have their logic. Even though it's doing no one any good there, and won't be missed, since it basically (in your mind) "didn't exist" since it was un-known, and (in your mind) never to be seen unless dug, yet here is their logic: Someday, even if it's hundreds, or thousands of years from now, some FUTURE archaeologist *might* do an archaeological pit right there. And if Gene in AL, back in the year 2010 dug up that mercury dime, then you have "robbed" it from future generation's abilities to have it to interpret their past.

Yup. I kid you not. This is what they would say. And if you do the math at the size of the average archaeological pit (a few feet square around) and the time it takes them to do a few pits (all summer long for a few test pits in a single spot), you can see that it would take MILLIONS of years for them to do even a single square mile, much less even a single national park. You simply can't dig up every square inch of land. Even the most aggressive well-funded university archaeology dept's scarcely do a few pits, here and there, at just a few sacred spots. Why would they even begin to do boring campgrounds, or just remote back-country, etc....? They won't. But in their way of thinking, 10000 years from now, someone in the future might want to, somewhere on public land.

And while this still seems silly, to them (a lawmaker on ANY subject) it's like the old camel with his nose in the tent story: If they agree "well gee, shucks, it certainly can't hurt if you do it over there, but just don't tromp around this one little historical part of our park", you can guess what will happen: They will spend all their time negotiating over exactly where, and where you can't, detect. So guess what the easier solution is? To just say "no detecting at all".

But this is all so silly. Although you can find dry dusty rules to tell you such things, my experience is that most of the time, as long as you're not nosing around archaeologically sensitive historical monuments, no one cares. For example: If you were to read the state of CA's state park's rules, or ask enough Q's of enough archie's here, I'm sure you could find some "no's". But oddly, I know of state parks here that are routinely detected, and no one cares. But I bet if you asked around enough, you'd be told "no" (some ranger who previously never gave the matter thought, would be forced to look up your "pressing question" I suppose). I've also hunted at old abandoned military bases (federal property) right in front of MP's and BLM people, and they never seemed to care. And this reality makes me wonder if this isn't the same in other states. Ie.: sometimes no one cares till you ask (barring if you were being a nuisance, or snooping around obvious historical monuments.)

You are exactly right. No one cares until you ask...especially with parks. I've called and asked to detect a city park and was told no. But one day, I said "who will care if I detect this little playground" the answer was no one cared. Not the civilians passing me by or the grounds people working there. No one cared. As long as you're not on sacred land then it's not gonna matter or be offensive to anyone.

[G.A.P.metal]

Vote those FOOLS out of office and lets keep our hobby safe!!!
Thanks Gary G.A.P.metal

[Buff4]

PLEASE read this post in the General discussion forum !!
"Please send me all your pulltabs and nails that are 50 years or older - New Idea"

[Connecticut Sam]

In Connecticut we are not allow to search state parks except beaches, and the law is we are suppose to turn in rings and watches. I do not know anybody who does.

[Tnmountains]

TVA or Tennessee Valley Authority flooded all our farms and towns damed up the rivers to make electricity. They used to hire out security now they have Federal police that patrol the water ways and arrest you for picking up an arrowhead or metal detecting. You would think they would have better things to do but then they have an endless supply of money to enforce and justify the stupidest laws.

[Connecticut Sam]

To #3. Trust me, if you live in Connecticut, they sent somebody right over.

[HoneyBadger]

TVA or Tennessee Valley Authority flooded all our farms and towns damed up the rivers to make electricity. They used to hire out security now they have Federal police that patrol the water ways and arrest you for picking up an arrowhead or metal detecting. You would think they would have better things to do but then they have an endless supply of money to enforce and justify the stupidest laws.

I am finding this out right now. I have been looking to buy a Garrett Pro as a starter detector, spent the morning doing research on state laws, and it is quite disheartening. The local towns do not seem to have any restrictions, but there are lots of TVA areas that are now off limits. Not sure at this point if it will be worth my while. I could detect farms and we have alot here in southern middle TN, but its a shame they recently placed the TVA lands off limits unless your get an archaeological permit. Almost makes a fellow want to join a archaeological amateur club to get to do the parks, if possible.

[tlowery04]

given how old this is and how seemingly off-topic the conversation has gotten, i'm surprised the thread hasn't been locked or removed from the sticky board...

[cherokeescot]

NOT GOING TO GAIN ME MUCH FAVOR
As an elder hunter, I have never desecrated a site. Pictures usually do it for me. I do agree with the Maritime Laws but disagree totally with Florida's insane legislation. Ten years to get a permit? It is just a game they play. Universities can get a permit within days.
As in 'the letter of the law' technically 90% of all the spoils of the sea around Florida coasts belong to the Peruvians. So, why doesnt the State of Florida insist the treasures be returned to their rightful owners. Because they are scum, money grubbers that's why.
I also would like to bring up the digging of any antiquities relating to a human burial including the deceased. Especially when we look at all the Egyptian digs and 'archeological research'. I heard it said best by a Native American who was asked by a farmer if he would like to come out to his farm and dig on a Native burial ground. The Native American said sure, and then we can go and dig up your grandmother!
I probably shouldnt mention this on a public website, but there are so many flaws in the existing and proposed Florida laws that it looks like a sieve. Only one I will publicly mention.
I was given a treasure map by a 82 year old Native American who grew up on the Rez in southern Florida. It is located in the water where no one has ever thought to search. He spent his life as a pilot. His map is triangulated with lat and lon. So, the flaw in the law that Im referring to in this instance is there is no regulation to prohibit searching in the water using a satellite. Funny, eh? Im not going to mention which satellite but there is one which is so clear you can see the Galleon sitting on the bottom.
Ok, my two cents worth. Happy hunting all!

[pitbully]

robert my support from holland stupid rules